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Jason Marx
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 Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: Problem connecting (old) MIDI keyboard to Cubase 5 |
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Hey there,
I have a really old Panasonic SXKC200 keyboard. It has general MIDI in and out.
I've read the keyboard manual and that seems to be all working fine, but I can't seem to figure out how I set it up in Cubase. I've gone to the device manager and Panasonic wasn't in the preselect list.
Is my pathetic keyboard well past it's sell by date? I'm going to get it changed soon, but whilst saving would be great to be able to use it.
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djaychela
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OK, a few things:
First up, it doesn't have a "General MIDI" in and out, it has a MIDI in and out; the "General MIDI" part of it is the sound source which is a part of the keyboard. Might sound like nitpicking, but correct terminology is important with stuff like this.
Secondly, how have you actually connected it to your computer? What MIDI interface are you using?
With a MIDI interface and it connected correctly, there's no reason why it won't work - lots of people are using such things, in fact...
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Jason Marx
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: Keyboard issues |
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Thanks Darren. This keyboard does have General MIDI 9says it on the keyboard and the box.
I just bought a MIDI to USB wire. Is that seen as an interface as looking online, this seems to be what people are doing on Youtube.
Will I also need a driver for this, as I can't ever recall having one and a search on line doesn't return anything.
Cheers for your help so far.
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DaveFry
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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It would help if you posted your system specs in your signature .Tell us if you are using Mac , Windows , 32bit , 64bit , which update of Cubase 5 , etc .....
Yes , the Midi / USB interface needs a driver . The "wire" is a Midi interface and so needs the appropriate driver like any kind of interface would .
If you are running a 64bit system you need a 64bit driver . Some of the cheaper Midi/USB interfaces (wires ) are not supported in 64bit systems , see http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=140120.
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djaychela
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Keyboard issues |
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| Jason Marx wrote: | Thanks Darren. This keyboard does have General MIDI 9says it on the keyboard and the box.
I just bought a MIDI to USB wire. Is that seen as an interface as looking online, this seems to be what people are doing on Youtube.
Will I also need a driver for this, as I can't ever recall having one and a search on line doesn't return anything.
Cheers for your help so far.
J |
No worries. The keyboard is general MIDI, but that's about its sound playback facilities - the MIDI output on it is just MIDI. A small but important distinction.
As said above, you will need a driver for your MIDI/USB interface, BUT the driver may well already be in your Operating System - if it's "class compliant" then most modern OSes will install a default driver and it will just work. However, if this has happened it should appear in your list of MIDI devices under Devices > Device setup. Obviously it won't appear as the Panasonic or whatever, as there's no way for it to know what's on the far end of the MIDI cable. It will probably appear as "USB Audio Device" or "USB MIDI Device".
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Keyboard issues |
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| Jason Marx wrote: | | I just bought a MIDI to USB wire. |
If this is a unit with MIDI IN and MIDI OUT, be aware that some manufacturers label IN and OUT different from others:
a) IN is where the keyboard's MIDI OUT should go to, and OUT is where the signal should be connected to the keyboard's MIDI IN.
b) IN is the plug that goes to the keyboard's MIDI input, and OUT is the plug that takes the signal from the keyboard's MIDI output.
I guess you see the problem (if it applies to your equipment) ...  |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Keyboard issues |
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| Kubaez wrote: | | Jason Marx wrote: | | I just bought a MIDI to USB wire. |
If this is a unit with MIDI IN and MIDI OUT, be aware that some manufacturers label IN and OUT different from others:
a) IN is where the keyboard's MIDI OUT should go to, and OUT is where the signal should be connected to the keyboard's MIDI IN.
b) IN is the plug that goes to the keyboard's MIDI input, and OUT is the plug that takes the signal from the keyboard's MIDI output.
I guess you see the problem (if it applies to your equipment) ... |
Midi IN recieves data.....Midi OUT transmits data.....Midi THRU links incoming data. That's the Industry standard set up by the Audio Engineering Society back in Aug 1983. Never have I seen it done any other way in over 24 years of my Midifying!  mm
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Keyboard issues |
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| midimaddness wrote: | | Never have I seen it done any other way in over 24 years of my Midifying! |
Sorry, I didn't know how common or uncommon that "wrong labeling" thing was.
I wrote the above because once (about 24 years ago ) I had quite a struggle to get things right.
The "MIDI OUT" plug of an interface was supposed to receive the MIDI OUT signal from the keyboard, and the interface's "MIDI IN" plug transported the signal to the Keyboard's MIDI IN socket. That strange piece of hardware was a joystick port-to-MIDI adapter, and if you think the plugs as the sockets of a MIDI interface housing, it makes sense. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Keyboard issues |
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| Kubaez wrote: | | midimaddness wrote: | | Never have I seen it done any other way in over 24 years of my Midifying! |
Sorry, I didn't know how common or uncommon that "wrong labeling" thing was.
I wrote the above because once (about 24 years ago ) I had quite a struggle to get things right.
The "MIDI OUT" plug of an interface was supposed to receive the MIDI OUT signal from the keyboard, and the interface's "MIDI IN" plug transported the signal to the Keyboard's MIDI IN socket. That strange piece of hardware was a joystick port-to-MIDI adapter, and if you think the plugs as the sockets of a MIDI interface housing, it makes sense. |
I don't doubt what you say happened, Kubaez, as unorthodox as it appears! Wasn't a C-64 Commodore, was it?  I started out on one of those!  First time I ever heard of that one, though! Have a good one! mm
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Keyboard issues |
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| midimaddness wrote: | | Midi IN recieves data.....Midi OUT transmits data.....Midi THRU links incoming data. That's the Industry standard set up by the Audio Engineering Society back in Aug 1983. Never have I seen it done any other way in over 24 years of my Midifying! mm |
There are quite a few cheap interfaces (MIDI/USB cables) that I've seen clients use which are labelled in the "this is labelled as what it plugs into" rather than "this is labelled by its function", so it's not uncommon. I agree it's the WRONG way to label them, but there you go!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Keyboard issues |
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| djaychela wrote: | | midimaddness wrote: | | Midi IN recieves data.....Midi OUT transmits data.....Midi THRU links incoming data. That's the Industry standard set up by the Audio Engineering Society back in Aug 1983. Never have I seen it done any other way in over 24 years of my Midifying! mm |
There are quite a few cheap interfaces (MIDI/USB cables) that I've seen clients use which are labelled in the "this is labelled as what it plugs into" rather than "this is labelled by its function", so it's not uncommon. I agree it's the WRONG way to label them, but there you go! |
I still remember, years ago, buying a 'Pocket Merge' Box (Passive Midi) to add to my array of Yamaha YMM2C active merge boxes because the 'Pocket Merge' was 1/3 the price. Big Mistake! I tried doing a Sysex dump......and the peripherals went haywire scrambling data! Lesson well learned! For interfaces, merge boxes, patch bays etc..etc.. stick with Yamaha or Roland....and you can't go wrong! BTW, I do use a little 'Pocket Channel' on my 88 key controller without incident.
BTW, Why some of these 'Bozo's' mislabel things, thinking it will make everything so much easier.....is beyond me! But, such is the way of the world! mm
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Well, I can see why they did it - the number one thing I used to get (when people mainly used MIDI keyboards and interfaces rather than USB ones) was "My MIDI keyboard doesn't work", which was usually a short phone call after telling them they'd plugged the MIDI IN and OUT the wrong way round. So I guess they labelled them to suit such a person, alas!
Barely use any "real" MIDI now, aside from my Mackie Control and a couple of FX units - I can remember when my plug-in MIDI analyser was a tool that got used most days when techy-ing. I found it the other week, covered in dust!
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