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Hey, Thanks!
First Thing in the Studio today...
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Thanks, off to check it out...
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To start, I would like to say thank you kindly for this update, it really is appreciated. I see it was dated for Sept. 17, what was the hold up on getting it released?!
Two goods and one bad...
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1.) Input gain automation is now back, FINALLY. Thank you very much, works as it did before the 5.5 update removed it.
2.) Zooming speed really is improved, it is much quicker and smoother now compared to 5.5.1
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Not sure why, but whenever I load Cubase it halts for quite some time on Initializing: Content. Sits there at least a good 10-15 seconds before Cubase is loaded and ready to use. This was always instant in the past and never halted at this point in the loading. I am on the latest Elicenser BTW.
One last thing. I noticed the file size is huge compared to the 5.5.1 update, is this a hotfix that MUST go overtop 5.5.0 and 5.5.1 or can one go straight from 5.0 to 5.5.2? I just want to know the order in which I should install all these updates/patches in case of a future installation is in order. All files I don't need I want to remove from my backup flash drive.
Thanks again.
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[quote]The patch is for all 5, 5.5 or 5.5.1 versions of Cubase and Cubase Studio.[/quote]
Update seems applicable regardless of version 5 installed |
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Reverence had a dry/wet mix knob on all channels in 5.0, why is it gone in 5.5.x?
Why are the synths not showing parameter numbers, for example Prologue the Osc, shift, coarse etc. parameters?
Why are the synths not saving LFO sync setings?
Why are you selling a buggy and badly coded piece of software Steinberg?
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| Eckhard Doll wrote: | Thanks for the feedback!
Regarding the loading times I would suggest trashing the preferences. Maybe a newly created preferences folder helps...
You can use the update on any Cubase 5 release, not just 5.5.0 or 5.5.1 whereas 5.5.1 was only a hotfix update that needed the 5.5.0 to work, hence the different file sizes. |
Thank you for the reply Eckhard. I simple reboot seems to have remedied the dreadfully slow loading times. I did nothing but reboot the system and twice now I have tried to open Cubase and it did so instantly like in the past.
Sorry to be redundant, but let me get this straight in terms of the updates. I can install the 5.5.2 patch straight on top of the 5.0.0 release from the retail DVD without any issue? I do not need to keep the 5.5 and 5.5.1 updates on my flash drive? I can go straight from retail DVD of 5.0.0 straight to the 5.5.2 update and be done with it? Only one update install needed for all subsequent patches and fixes?
Thanks again.
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| Jovas wrote: | Reverence had a dry/wet mix knob on all channels in 5.0, why is it gone in 5.5.x?
Why are the synths not showing parameter numbers, for example Prologue the Osc, shift, coarse etc. parameters?
Why are the synths not saving LFO sync setings?
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I hear ya on the Reverence mix knob. That is really annoying for group tracks and yes, it was working fine before the 5.5 update. Unfortunately it is not fixed in this update either. I doubt we will see this fixed Cubase 5 unless we are really lucky on getting another patch, but that is unlikely. Cubase 4 stopped at 4.5.2 as well. I am just glad the input gain automation is back, the scissors issue and crashes of Variaudio is fixed etc. The improved Mediabay scanning and zooming speed increase is a bonus too.
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| Eckhard Doll wrote: | Thanks for the feedback!
Regarding the loading times I would suggest trashing the preferences. Maybe a newly created preferences folder helps...
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Does this trash all your settings and presets?
Thanks
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Thnx! 
But it wouldn't have hurt if you added a few weeks to fix the REVerence Mix button. It's not like anybody would have been angry or anything! 
Gotta try the Gain Automation, though! 
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Cubase 5.5.2 installs, starts and closes on command at least ...
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Thanks for this update! Seems that there are quite some fixes beeing made.
The best thing for me personally is that UAD´s Fatso Senior is showing up again!
But sadly the Reaktor GUI still freezes (used VST Bridged Reaktor FX in an Audio Channel Insert with "The Mouth" - switched presets 3-times.. and gone... VST Bridge didn´t crash though)
...and just to bump this:
-some Automation still gets lost in offline rendering (like plugin bypass automation)
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=142288
except for these little drawbacks everything´s fine.
thx again,
kind regards
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| cantankerous wrote: | | One last thing. I noticed the file size is huge compared to the 5.5.1 update, is this a hotfix that MUST go overtop 5.5.0 and 5.5.1 or can one go straight from 5.0 to 5.5.2? |
This was my question as well, but looks like it was answered. The large file size is because of a "proper" update. Meaning it has had it's run through all the departments. A patch is much more limited when it comes to installation compatibility. I'm not sure about Mac updaters, but on Windows, I know that there are two places that seek, clean, merge and optimize files when installing updates in general. One is the Windows installer, which tries to find and clean all old files not relevant to the latest update. Another more important is how Cubase handles the installation, which basically does the same thing. But because we're at the program level now, Cubase will more easily recognize which files to keep, merge and which ones can be cleaned. So I'm less trusting of a patch (which places fixes in a small number of existing files, and writes routines many times in another file to fix stuff).
My personal method here would be to see if I can remove the 5.5.1 patch first (reboot), remove the 5.5.0 update (reboot). Clean the computer (using CCleaner) (reboot) and then install the 5.5.2 udpate. Then go through the various plugin stuff to make sure Cubase still recognizes it.
You might want to note that this could very well be a useless waste of time for me... the 5.5.2 update might be exactly the same no matter what version (over 5.x) you have... but it makes me feel better doing it this way.
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| Hurican wrote: | | cantankerous wrote: | | One last thing. I noticed the file size is huge compared to the 5.5.1 update, is this a hotfix that MUST go overtop 5.5.0 and 5.5.1 or can one go straight from 5.0 to 5.5.2? |
This was my question as well, but looks like it was answered. The large file size is because of a "proper" update. Meaning it has had it's run through all the departments. A patch is much more limited when it comes to installation compatibility. I'm not sure about Mac updaters, but on Windows, I know that there are two places that seek, clean, merge and optimize files when installing updates in general. One is the Windows installer, which tries to find and clean all old files not relevant to the latest update. Another more important is how Cubase handles the installation, which basically does the same thing. But because we're at the program level now, Cubase will more easily recognize which files to keep, merge and which ones can be cleaned. So I'm less trusting of a patch (which places fixes in a small number of existing files, and writes routines many times in another file to fix stuff).
My personal method here would be to see if I can remove the 5.5.1 patch first (reboot), remove the 5.5.0 update (reboot). Clean the computer (using CCleaner) (reboot) and then install the 5.5.2 udpate. Then go through the various plugin stuff to make sure Cubase still recognizes it.
You might want to note that this could very well be a useless waste of time for me... the 5.5.2 update might be exactly the same no matter what version (over 5.x) you have... but it makes me feel better doing it this way. |
Well, if you wouldn't mind taking the time to do this, I would really love to hear your results from doing so. In the future I would like to just install Cubase 5 from my retail DVD, then install the 5.5.2 patch and be done with it. If this is the case it frees up a lot of backup files from my flash drive and makes for a real easy installation down the road.
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| cantankerous wrote: | | Well, if you wouldn't mind taking the time to do this, I would really love to hear your results from doing so. |
I'll let you know. The big question for me is if the updates and hotfixes are noted (and can be uninstalled) from the Control Panel. If they are, I will certainly go through the entire process and outline all the steps. If not though, I might just pop in the latest update and be done with it. (I'm not at my Win7 studio machine at the moment so I have no idea as of yet).
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| Hurican wrote: | | cantankerous wrote: | | Well, if you wouldn't mind taking the time to do this, I would really love to hear your results from doing so. |
I'll let you know. The big question for me is if the updates and hotfixes are noted (and can be uninstalled) from the Control Panel. If they are, I will certainly go through the entire process and outline all the steps. If not though, I might just pop in the latest update and be done with it. (I'm not at my Win7 studio machine at the moment so I have no idea as of yet).
John |
Well I would appreciate any time spent on this, thank you kindly in advance.
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| Yay, input gain automation is back, thank you Steinberg! |
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| TwinOak wrote: | | Yay, input gain automation is back, thank you Steinberg! |
Seems I am not the only one excited about this...
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Seems to work fine, update went flawlessly, thank you Steinberg.
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| cantankerous wrote: | | Well, if you wouldn't mind taking the time to do this, I would really love to hear your results from doing so. In the future I would like to just install Cubase 5 from my retail DVD, then install the 5.5.2 patch and be done with it. |
It appears that when you update, the data is overwritten or merged into the original file... at least as far as I can tell. At least for Windows 7 64bit, there is no option to uninstall previous updates. You would have to uninstall Cubase entirely, and re-install from scratch, then update with only 5.5.2. Windows hotfixes that are listed in the control panel and are available to be uninstalled individually. I was hoping Cubase used a similar method, but they don't. So I went ahead and installed Cubase over my 5.5.1 update. Everything went smoothly. I'm kind of glad I did anyway, because they also updated the eLicenser software. No problems whatsoever. The only other issue that popped up was my Speakerphone plugin had to be re-authorized. All of a few second to do. So It all seems tight and clean from the user perspective.
I wouldn't worry about running the latest update over previous ones. It's a non issue.
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| Hurican wrote: | | cantankerous wrote: | | Well, if you wouldn't mind taking the time to do this, I would really love to hear your results from doing so. In the future I would like to just install Cubase 5 from my retail DVD, then install the 5.5.2 patch and be done with it. |
It appears that when you update, the data is overwritten or merged into the original file... at least as far as I can tell. At least for Windows 7 64bit, there is no option to uninstall previous updates. You would have to uninstall Cubase entirely, and re-install from scratch, then update with only 5.5.2. Windows hotfixes that are listed in the control panel and are available to be uninstalled individually. I was hoping Cubase used a similar method, but they don't. So I went ahead and installed Cubase over my 5.5.1 update. Everything went smoothly. I'm kind of glad I did anyway, because they also updated the eLicenser software. No problems whatsoever. The only other issue that popped up was my Speakerphone plugin had to be re-authorized. All of a few second to do. So It all seems tight and clean from the user perspective.
I wouldn't worry about running the latest update over previous ones. It's a non issue. |
Thank you very much for your time and detailed explanation. I must solidify however that I was not concerned about installing the 5.5.2 update over top of previous updates. I did just that in fact and installed 5.5.2 over 5.5.1 and yes it did work fine. What was I was asking about was whether in the future I had to format my drive and reinstall Cubase 5 from scratch. Would I be able to install the program from the DVD then jump straight to the 5.5.2 update in one shot. That would mean going from 5.0.0 retail to 5.5.2. I would rather not go from 5.0.0 to 5.5 to 5.5.2 etc. One update only is what I am after so I can erase all other updates currently being stored on my flash drive currently.
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damn, how small is your "flashdrive", some 50mb more or less were a matter in 1998 not 2010. and yes, you can install 5.0 and directly update to 5.5.2 with the new update, see lengthy explanation above... 
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To anyone in the know..
What is the Vintage groovebox all about and does it need HALion track presets to operate or is that only for HSO? |
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| cantankerous wrote: | | What was I was asking about was whether in the future I had to format my drive and reinstall Cubase 5 from scratch. Would I be able to install the program from the DVD then jump straight to the 5.5.2 update in one shot. That would mean going from 5.0.0 retail to 5.5.2. I would rather not go from 5.0.0 to 5.5 to 5.5.2 etc. One update only is what I am after so I can erase all other updates currently being stored on my flash drive currently. |
Oh sorry about the misunderstanding. From years of computer stuff, building my own, web and application tech support and programming, etc.... the best I could do is give you an educated guess. Plus, based upon Steinberg HQ's comments I would say that there would be no problem going straight from retail to the 5.5.2 update. In a software company I worked for, we never went from scratch just to clean up a few bugs and add more features. We would use the architecture from a previously tested and working update, and further clean it up, add on to it, etc.... A legit update is actually a part of the program, unlike a patch (5.5.1) which is usually a separate piece kind of plugged in to it. That is why 5.5.1 needed 5.5.0 to be installed before you could update. So again, based on an educated guess, I would say, whichever way you want to update... you're good to go.
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I guess the blurry font has not been corrected as nobody's talking about that, right ?
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Just wondering if I have the right 5.5.2 update as my splash screen now says:
"Built on Sept 17 2010"
Is that correct?
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That's what mines says, also
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| johnrule wrote: | Just wondering if I have the right 5.5.2 update as my splash screen now says:
"Built on Sept 17 2010"
Is that correct?
JR |
Yes it should be. Most programs follow a long test run before being released to the public, in case some really weird bug is found (one that erases your projects, for example ).
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