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Lutz Rippe
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| vinnyburns wrote: | No it does not.
It comes with a 459 page overview of the help system. I have used this program since version 1.6. I am very aware of what the Wavelab manuals used to look like and the content they contained.
Stop trying to put some sort of positive spin on this. There is none.
Your comment about printing parts of this overview off are laughable.
All the very best.
Vinny. |
Ok, call it 459 page overview of the help system. But you can print it out, or parts of it. I don't understand what is laughable about printing this out, if you don't want to read in front of the PC. It is incomplete but it is not wrong. The WL6 to WL7 FAQs will also be of help for you as former WL4 user, plus your WL4 manual and the online tutorials.
I am far from defending Steinberg for not including a proper manual, actually I find it pretty stupid, especially as many Mac users never used Wavelab before.
Still I claim that you can get very far with what we have and we are far away from "no one can figure out anything" as you said in one of your posts.
I think some people should disarm verbally a bit and there is a lot of space between "completely useless" and "completely perfect".
I for one do not see anything in WL7 that is so difficult to understand to be completely lost, at least not for a professional who has been using Wavelab before.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Good post/message Lutz !
regards S-EH
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| vinnyburns wrote: | | Well PG, I am sure with your name directly attached to the software, you could have dug in and made your views very clear if you really cared. |
You cannot know what Philippe did or did not do within Steinberg. Had there been a worthwile read on WL7: PDFs can be read on an e-Reader - also in bed. I do agree though that there is NO manual now, and the online-help-pdf is unreadable because it has no structure. Obviously - it never was meant to be read as a whole since it wasn't written as such.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Lutz Rippe wrote: | I think some people should disarm verbally a bit and there is a lot of space between "completely useless" and "completely perfect".
I for one do not see anything in WL7 that is so difficult to understand to be completely lost, at least not for a professional who has been using Wavelab before. |
There is also a lot of "space" and expectation between a 49 dollar program and a 600-700 dollar one. Apologies - but I live in one world when it comes to software - expensive stuff comes with LOTS of extras. A piece of software that is going for 600+ dollars deserves to ship with a well written, fully detailed manual.
A "help" file converted to PDF is - well - laughable.
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wizardofice
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Lutz Rippe wrote: | | vinnyburns wrote: | No it does not.
It comes with a 459 page overview of the help system. I have used this program since version 1.6. I am very aware of what the Wavelab manuals used to look like and the content they contained.
Stop trying to put some sort of positive spin on this. There is none.
Your comment about printing parts of this overview off are laughable.
All the very best.
Vinny. |
Ok, call it 459 page overview of the help system. But you can print it out, or parts of it. I don't understand what is laughable about printing this out, if you don't want to read in front of the PC. It is incomplete but it is not wrong. The WL6 to WL7 FAQs will also be of help for you as former WL4 user, plus your WL4 manual and the online tutorials.
I am far from defending Steinberg for not including a proper manual, actually I find it pretty stupid, especially as many Mac users never used Wavelab before.
Still I claim that you can get very far with what we have and we are far away from "no one can figure out anything" as you said in one of your posts.
I think some people should disarm verbally a bit and there is a lot of space between "completely useless" and "completely perfect".
I for one do not see anything in WL7 that is so difficult to understand to be completely lost, at least not for a professional who has been using Wavelab before.
Lutz |
Actually some of it is wrong. In the elements help system it refers to things not in elements and even then does not tell where to find things or how to use them.
Laughable yes...but I am not laughing.
And as to disarming....this will likely happen after Steinberg announces a manual is in the works
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Actually some of it is wrong. In the elements help system it refers to things not in elements and even then does not tell where to find things or how to use them. |
Totally agree, for Elements is even worse 
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| wizardofice wrote: |
Actually some of it is wrong. In the elements help system it refers to things not in elements and even then does not tell where to find things or how to use them.
Laughable yes...but I am not laughing.
And as to disarming....this will likely happen after Steinberg announces a manual is in the works |
I would say that this PDF Manual is definitely "...in the works" It's a good read though and once the sections are expanded with more usable description, WE WILL HAVE A MANUAL!!!
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greggybud
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I was stupid. I printed out the entire 459 page "manual" and it hasn't helped me one time.
In Wavelab6 I referred to the manual and almost always found the solution.
Today, my WL7 goal was to simply burn a Basic Audio CD. In WL6 it was easy. All the burning functions were grouped under one tab no matter if you wanted to burn a data CD, audio CD..it was all there.
But with WL7 you have several burn functions under the Utilities tab, however burning a Basic Audio CD is not found. So I decided to try out the 459 page "manual" and on page 286 I finally found it. 11.1.98 Write Audio CD. Unfortunately it describes the functions without telling me how to find the actual command!
After messing around for a long time I found it.
Workspaces>special tool windows>Burn Audio CD.
What is the logic to put this function under workspaces when it seems much more sensible to keep all the burning functions under one tab?
How about the new Mac Wavelab users who have no prior experience with Wavelab...how are they getting along with no real manual? |
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I purchased the boxed version without having read this thread yet sometime back. Once I realized that there wasn't going to be a new manual(so to say)...I took the liberty of downloading the Help pdf to my Ipad to read through. I have to agree with the other users, especially being a Mac user and not really using Version 6 and using Peak LE for OS reasons.
I 100% agree! The Help pdf is practically pointless(although it has it's moments)...not offering a well thought out, pictured, examples...etc manual for a program of this magnitude with such massive changes and a new OS is plain "cheap". At first it wasn't that big of a deal, but as I try to dig deeper...it seems that a better more well thought out documentation would come in handy.
Cheap
Is that what we get...for being loyal. Nothing personal 
Please think about it Steinberg? What direction are you headed? What impression are you giving?
With best intentions..
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