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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: HSO content empty Reply with quote

Hello Steinberg.....
I was wondering why the content of HSO cannot be read. HSO has installed correctly. The HSO is found in the vsts pane and loads to C-5 X64. My OS is X64. I was sent an upgrade link for 64 bit. However, the HSO player shows no content. Under "Option" on the HSO player it says, "no file content found".

When I opened the link I was sent, I chose "run". that failed. Then reopened it and clicked "save" but it obviously didn't save the content to a file that could be identified. If I could get this program running before the 90 day trial period ends, I might buy it!

Thanks for any simple suggestions to fix this.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you already use the "Locate Content" function in the Options dialog?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes of course. Thanks for resp..
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When locating the content make sure you've actually selected all .hsb files in the content folder before you click on "Open"!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Georg,. Where would I look for and/or when would I find .hsb files? A window? A pop-up?? A drop down??
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hsb files are HSO's content files. Their location depends on the installation. To tell HSO where the hsb files are stored is the purpose of the "Locate Content" function.
If you've used the content converter the names of the hsb files end with .bak.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. I've seen these ".bak" files mentioned before in error messages. "Windows cannot open .bak files" and do you want windows to go on line and find a program to open these files or do you want to use a program you already have to open it. Then a message apears stating it cannot find the files etc...

It apears there's no communications between files, programs and contents. I guess I will need some kind of step directions to get me through this from the beginning? Looks like a sequence of events. Or, my pc (all brand new components BTW) has serious internal compatability issues?? (Don't know how that could be.)

I appreciate your responses Georg.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you select "Locate Content" a common explorer dialog window will open. Within this window you need to show HSO the files! This means in this very diaolog window you need to navigate to the folder where you've stored the .hsb/.bak files. Click yourself through the directories until you have opened the content folder and finally all .hsb/.bak files are displayed. Now select them all, for example hit Strg + A on your keyboard or click them while holding Shift. When you have all content files selected click on "Open". Done! Now HSO should know where its files are.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Georg.

Done.

Now, I have another small issue, one that's equally as frustrating. I actually feel I've come a long way forward however and I really do appreciate your time in this. Now that I have the content available to the host sequencer (C-5) and can load vsts onto tracks, I'm only able to load no more than two tracks. A perc. track and a strings or horn track for example. The virtual keyboards in hso and the transport silence as does my MIDI keyboard after only two tracks get recorded. [The two tracks play back together just fine.] No further vsti's can be heard or loaded onto the sequencer.

Can you tell me what I'm doing to prevent additional tracks from loading onto the sequencer?

Also, while I have your attention Georg, how many instances of the hso player per project can be loaded and used without crashing the program? It's an issue I've had to deal with in C-4 ES with the Halion 3, Kontakt 3 and Halion One vst engines.

Again, many thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid I don't even understand the problem. Please try to describe more detailed what you are doing. Are you creating Instrument tracks oder MIDI tracks? What exactly happens when you add the third track? Does "the transport silence" mean that audio tracks are affected, too?

The amount of HSO instances you can use depends on the performance and memory of your system and, of course, on the utilization (programs, voices, events). There is no universal limit.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Georg, Thanks again for responding. Am I to understand that, there are no track count limits depending on ram resources and number of events issued in a project?

We found a solution to the "no sound coming from the MIDI keyboard and the Vir. KB." There's that little square box with the arrow in the vst pane I didn't know about which when clicked, gives you an option.

I'm still not clear what the difference between an instrument track and a MIDI track is considering, both will give you the same sample. I've been accessing the project dropdown for instrument tracks for all the vsti's I've ever used. Now however, I was informed to use the devices dropdown and choose vst instruments from there to access a pane with that little box with the arrow to display all content etc..

Now I'm working with MIDI tracks. Not instrument tracks? I am now able to record multiple tracks in the sequencer. My concern was, if many instances of the HSO player will within the program chosen, weigh heavily on ram (4 GB in my case) while using many plugins along with all the tracks.

What would be a "normal" amount of ram in a system required to produce a full orchestral composition that includes 50 or more vst instruments with as many articulation events and corresponding plugins to insure maximum realism?

Thanks again Georg.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The differences between Instrument and MIDI Tracks are explicitly described in the operation manual. Please have a look. The fact that Instrument Tracks are restricted to a single stereo output apparently has been the reason for your problems with HSO.
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What would be a "normal" amount of ram in a system required to produce a full orchestral composition that includes 50 or more vst instruments with as many articulation events and corresponding plugins to insure maximum realism?

I really don't know! It depends in so many ways. But in general, I consider "50 or more VST Instruments" as very demanding. As much RAM as possible might be not enough, particularly if the instruments are sample-based. I suggest you keep an eye on the task manager to get an idea of the actual memory usage of your projects. But you will get much better advice from other users who are working with orchestral projects and need "maximum realism" in this regard.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Georg. That's my problem I guess. I'm not clear about "outputs" and why MIDI outs have that many more than instrument outs given, they're both MIDI driven. And by "outs" where are they out to? There's obviously something I'm not getting.

Thanks greatly for your responses.
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