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centralmusic Grand Senior Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Fuzzymusic wrote: | | Tones2 wrote: | | I assume Cubase 6 will bring us moveable frozen VSTi parts. |
Imagine you are outside in winter and put your tongue on an iron pole, you would be frozen too. Able to move? Certainly not.... |
And in this consolidated situation Steinberg gives technical advice: RTFM. |
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st@g Senior Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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There was a thread asking for multi ASIO support, I couldn´t find it
I requested there also for a quite esoteric new function, which was the input channels to operate as a separate application with the minimum latency possible, while the project was running at a bigger buffer.
Then Tones dynamic freeze. A nice request. Makes sense from a ergonomic point of view.
Nevertheless, like the previous request, with computers running at staggering speeds nowadays, perhaps the devs don´t take them as priorities.
Now these two following request are definitely something to think about:
Still better plugin management with custom indexation. SX3 was better on this department, IMO.
Also the ability to customize the contextual menu, mainly the hierarchy of functions would be the cherry on top.
Thanks. _________________ Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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chase Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| st@g wrote: | Tones dynamic freeze. A nice request. Makes sense from a ergonomic point of view.
Nevertheless, like the previous request, with computers running at staggering speeds nowadays, perhaps the devs don´t take them as priorities. |
Well, I'd suggest that - however fast your (real-world) computer is - it'll always be possible to create a (real-world) cpr file that requires something more powerful, sooner or later. (Sooner for users of huge sample libraries.) So something that helps reduce the burdon on the computer without imposing the restrictions current with frozen tracks might be welcome for some users of even the latest and greatest computers. I'm not arguing that Tones's request ought to be given high priority - just that the existence of fast PCs doesn't of itself invalidate the request.
Anyway, why do people say PCs are always getting faster? - Mine always stay the same speed.  |
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HowlingUlf Grand Master
Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 8196 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| chase wrote: | | st@g wrote: | Tones dynamic freeze. A nice request. Makes sense from a ergonomic point of view.
Nevertheless, like the previous request, with computers running at staggering speeds nowadays, perhaps the devs don´t take them as priorities. |
Well, I'd suggest that - however fast your (real-world) computer is - it'll always be possible to create a (real-world) cpr file that requires something more powerful, sooner or later. (Sooner for users of huge sample libraries.) So something that helps reduce the burdon on the computer without imposing the restrictions current with frozen tracks might be welcome for some users of even the latest and greatest computers. I'm not arguing that Tones's request ought to be given high priority - just that the existence of fast PCs doesn't of itself invalidate the request.
Anyway, why do people say PCs are always getting faster? - Mine always stay the same speed.  |
You're having a Forest Gump moment?
Agree on the Freeze thingie though. If we could have a transparent implementation and we could chop up the resulting parts and move them aroundit would be a way of future proving the computer a little. Not really but a little. It would be very fast and useful!  _________________ Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar |
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douglas hazelrigg Senior Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure how moveable freeze could be accomplaished. A frozen vsti track is essentially an audio file, even though you can't see the waveform. I don't see how moving the MIDI around without having to re-render the audio can be accomplished _________________ Core 2 Quad Q9550/8 GB RAM/Win 7 Home 64-bit/Cubase 5.1 32-bit AND 64-bit /Emu 1616m I/O/ UAD-1 (x2)
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HowlingUlf Grand Master
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| douglas hazelrigg wrote: | | Not sure how moveable freeze could be accomplaished. A frozen vsti track is essentially an audio file, even though you can't see the waveform. I don't see how moving the MIDI around without having to re-render the audio can be accomplished |
naw ... but was that the idea ?
you could "link" or "lock" or "gang" or "strap" the frozen audio to the MIDI parts though.
We now have Regions that are parts of whole audio files?
Why not have Regions in Frozen files.
But maybe I don't see the problem because I seldom use Freezing ... due to the awkward resulting blobs of sound that are just stuck where you leave them.
Like turds in the snow ...
... I've heard!  _________________ Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar |
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douglas hazelrigg Senior Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I thought Tony's chief gripe was that after he had frozen a vsti part, he couldn't subsequently for example insert a bar of 7/8 time into the piece if he wanted to, because this would necessitate the moving of the part, and you couldn't do that once a part was frozen
I probably misunderstood, however _________________ Core 2 Quad Q9550/8 GB RAM/Win 7 Home 64-bit/Cubase 5.1 32-bit AND 64-bit /Emu 1616m I/O/ UAD-1 (x2)
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zephonic Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: |
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I for one happen to think that the Freeze in C5 is pretty good. If you want to change something you can still copy the midi part to a different channel and make changes there.
I'd like to see:
- The return of the vocoder. Best would be with hardware support from the 816X for zero-latency
- Customizable plug-in/VI list, good idea that
- Option to choose for plain black print on white background in dialog boxes. For example, the history list looks sleek, but is not very ergonomical.
- Multiple audio device support. Or no make, that: MULTIPLE AUDIO DEVICES SUPPORT!!!
- Adjustable grid. It is infuriating to be stuck with 1/16ths when you're working in triplets or smaller denominations. |
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st@g Senior Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I wish that offline processing to get more sexier by making it compatible with track presets.  _________________ Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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Tones2 Grand Master
Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 8229 Location: I Want to Move Frozen VSTi Parts!
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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For those who question the how and why my moveable frozen VSTi part request, just search for my name and the word freeze, and see all the delightful information you will find, dating back to the very beginnings of this soon to be defunct forum!
Tony |
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