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Santuzzo
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 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: Cubase Essential 4 - Windows 7 64bit compatible? |
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Hi,
Currently I am runnung Windows XP pro 32 bit, but I want to get Windoes 7 64 bit and I was wondering if my Cubase Essential 4 is compatible with a 64bit operating system?
Does anybody know this?
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Ron Garrison
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I don't run CE4 but I would imagine it would work. I have had very little trouble with 32-bit apps running on Win7-64. The bigger issue you might run into would be drivers. Make sure all your hardware has Win7-64 bit drivers.
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Santuzzo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Ron Garrison wrote: | I don't run CE4 but I would imagine it would work. I have had very little trouble with 32-bit apps running on Win7-64. The bigger issue you might run into would be drivers. Make sure all your hardware has Win7-64 bit drivers.
Ron |
Thank you Ron!
I decided to upgrade to Cubase Studio 5, since I want to be able to make use of the benefit of having more RAM at disposal, which with CE4 would not be possible unfortunately. |
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Ron Garrison
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| Santuzzo wrote: | | Ron Garrison wrote: | I don't run CE4 but I would imagine it would work. I have had very little trouble with 32-bit apps running on Win7-64. The bigger issue you might run into would be drivers. Make sure all your hardware has Win7-64 bit drivers.
Ron |
Thank you Ron!
I decided to upgrade to Cubase Studio 5, since I want to be able to make use of the benefit of having more RAM at disposal, which with CE4 would not be possible unfortunately. |
Keep in mind that even running the 32-bit version oc Cubase you get a RAM advantage in a 64-bit OS over a 32-bit OS. Many people are running the 32-bit version of Cubase instead of the 64-bit version due to VST compatibility issues. The C5 VST bridge in Cubase 64-bit is not the best. That's where JBridge comes in. It is a 3rd party app that bridges most of the VSTs out there.
Ron
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Santuzzo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Ron Garrison wrote: | | Santuzzo wrote: | | Ron Garrison wrote: | I don't run CE4 but I would imagine it would work. I have had very little trouble with 32-bit apps running on Win7-64. The bigger issue you might run into would be drivers. Make sure all your hardware has Win7-64 bit drivers.
Ron |
Thank you Ron!
I decided to upgrade to Cubase Studio 5, since I want to be able to make use of the benefit of having more RAM at disposal, which with CE4 would not be possible unfortunately. |
Keep in mind that even running the 32-bit version oc Cubase you get a RAM advantage in a 64-bit OS over a 32-bit OS. Many people are running the 32-bit version of Cubase instead of the 64-bit version due to VST compatibility issues. The C5 VST bridge in Cubase 64-bit is not the best. That's where JBridge comes in. It is a 3rd party app that bridges most of the VSTs out there.
Ron |
Thanks again.
I didn't know that even using a 32bit version of Cubase will still let me use more RAM.
In this case, I might want to wait with the Cubase upgrade. Especially also due to the VST compatibility issue you mentioned. |
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Ron Garrison
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| Santuzzo wrote: | | Ron Garrison wrote: | | Santuzzo wrote: | | Ron Garrison wrote: | I don't run CE4 but I would imagine it would work. I have had very little trouble with 32-bit apps running on Win7-64. The bigger issue you might run into would be drivers. Make sure all your hardware has Win7-64 bit drivers.
Ron |
Thank you Ron!
I decided to upgrade to Cubase Studio 5, since I want to be able to make use of the benefit of having more RAM at disposal, which with CE4 would not be possible unfortunately. |
Keep in mind that even running the 32-bit version oc Cubase you get a RAM advantage in a 64-bit OS over a 32-bit OS. Many people are running the 32-bit version of Cubase instead of the 64-bit version due to VST compatibility issues. The C5 VST bridge in Cubase 64-bit is not the best. That's where JBridge comes in. It is a 3rd party app that bridges most of the VSTs out there.
Ron |
Thanks again.
I didn't know that even using a 32bit version of Cubase will still let me use more RAM.
In this case, I might want to wait with the Cubase upgrade. Especially also due to the VST compatibility issue you mentioned. |
Think about it this way. In a 32-bit OS you have 4GB ofaddress space total (2^32). Things like video cards and other hardware eat into that address space cutting it to something less like maybe 3.25 GB. This means even with 4GB RAM installed you can only access ~3.25GB of it for all applications (i.e. cubase has to share that with everything else).
A 64-bit OS can theoretically access up to 2^64 Bytes. The user space for a 64-bit process in Win 7 - 64 can access up to 8TB.
A 32-bit process can access up to 2 or 4 GB (depending on the app). The key is EACH 32-bit process can access up to that much space. So if you have a computer with 16GB of physical RAM, Cubase can access up to 4 GB of that RAM. In a 32-bit OS Cubase has to share that address space with everything else.
Now - if you have memory hungry VSTis, you can use the 3rd party JBridge to launch that VSTi in its own address space. In otherwords Cubase has up to 4 GB of address space and the VSTi you jsut launched also has up to 4 GB of its own address space (assuming its a 32-bit VSTi, if its 64-bit it has a lot more). Cubase + the VSTi are accessing up to 8GB of the 16 GB leaving another 8 for the OS other apps or other VSTis, etc. So you can effectively use your 16GB of RAM using only the 32-bit app.
Now if you run 64-bit Cubase, the memory becomes a non-issue for Cubase and all the 64-bit VSTs. The problem comes when trying to run 32-bit VSTs . Cubase uses a bridge and ALL VSTs are run through that bridge (meaning you have up to 2 GB of address space for all 32-bit VSTs). The bridge that comes with Cubase 64-bit also has compatibility issues with some VSTs. So here JBridge can be used for an additional reason. It can be used to get around the compatibility issues while at the same time launching the 32-bit VST in its own address space.
Ron
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Santuzzo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Ron Garrison wrote: | | Santuzzo wrote: | | Ron Garrison wrote: | | Santuzzo wrote: | | Ron Garrison wrote: | I don't run CE4 but I would imagine it would work. I have had very little trouble with 32-bit apps running on Win7-64. The bigger issue you might run into would be drivers. Make sure all your hardware has Win7-64 bit drivers.
Ron |
Thank you Ron!
I decided to upgrade to Cubase Studio 5, since I want to be able to make use of the benefit of having more RAM at disposal, which with CE4 would not be possible unfortunately. |
Keep in mind that even running the 32-bit version oc Cubase you get a RAM advantage in a 64-bit OS over a 32-bit OS. Many people are running the 32-bit version of Cubase instead of the 64-bit version due to VST compatibility issues. The C5 VST bridge in Cubase 64-bit is not the best. That's where JBridge comes in. It is a 3rd party app that bridges most of the VSTs out there.
Ron |
Thanks again.
I didn't know that even using a 32bit version of Cubase will still let me use more RAM.
In this case, I might want to wait with the Cubase upgrade. Especially also due to the VST compatibility issue you mentioned. |
Think about it this way. In a 32-bit OS you have 4GB ofaddress space total (2^32). Things like video cards and other hardware eat into that address space cutting it to something less like maybe 3.25 GB. This means even with 4GB RAM installed you can only access ~3.25GB of it for all applications (i.e. cubase has to share that with everything else).
A 64-bit OS can theoretically access up to 2^64 Bytes. The user space for a 64-bit process in Win 7 - 64 can access up to 8TB.
A 32-bit process can access up to 2 or 4 GB (depending on the app). The key is EACH 32-bit process can access up to that much space. So if you have a computer with 16GB of physical RAM, Cubase can access up to 4 GB of that RAM. In a 32-bit OS Cubase has to share that address space with everything else.
Now - if you have memory hungry VSTis, you can use the 3rd party JBridge to launch that VSTi in its own address space. In otherwords Cubase has up to 4 GB of address space and the VSTi you jsut launched also has up to 4 GB of its own address space (assuming its a 32-bit VSTi, if its 64-bit it has a lot more). Cubase + the VSTi are accessing up to 8GB of the 16 GB leaving another 8 for the OS other apps or other VSTis, etc. So you can effectively use your 16GB of RAM using only the 32-bit app.
Now if you run 64-bit Cubase, the memory becomes a non-issue for Cubase and all the 64-bit VSTs. The problem comes when trying to run 32-bit VSTs . Cubase uses a bridge and ALL VSTs are run through that bridge (meaning you have up to 2 GB of address space for all 32-bit VSTs). The bridge that comes with Cubase 64-bit also has compatibility issues with some VSTs. So here JBridge can be used for an additional reason. It can be used to get around the compatibility issues while at the same time launching the 32-bit VST in its own address space.
Ron |
Some very useful information here!
Thank you very much.
So, am I gettign this right, even if I use Cubse Es 4 (which obviously is a 32bit application) I can still use the JBridge to have more RAM to use for each VST? Or can I only use the JBridge in a 64bit application?
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Ron Garrison
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: |
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You are understanding it correctly. You can use JBridge to:
Bridge a 32-bit VST to a 32-Bit host
Bridge a 32-bit VST to a 64-bit host
Bridge a 64-bit VST to a 32-bit host
I imagine you could also bridge a 64-bit VST to a 64-bit hot, but can't imagine why you would need to.
mind you I have not tried JBridge with C4 LE (I'm on C5) - but it should work. There is a trial version of JBridge so give it a shot. Costs nothing to try it out.
Ron
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Santuzzo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Ron Garrison wrote: | You are understanding it correctly. You can use JBridge to:
Bridge a 32-bit VST to a 32-Bit host
Bridge a 32-bit VST to a 64-bit host
Bridge a 64-bit VST to a 32-bit host
I imagine you could also bridge a 64-bit VST to a 64-bit hot, but can't imagine why you would need to.
Ron |
This is great !
I will probably get the JBridge and not upgrade my Cubase just yet.
Thank you very much, Ron, I appreciate your help!
Lars |
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