Copyright: Protect yourself : Questions?

Hackenslash · Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject:

If you use a sample of anyone's music or recording, you need their permission to use it. Without relevant permissions, you leave yourself open to a much heavier hit financially than if you just paid the royalties.
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SaltyDawg · Member Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 220

I had a lawyer handle all my copyright registrations. Just sign up at www.validlegal.com and they will get everything taken care of for you. Plans start at around $7 per month (mine is like $25 per month though, I got the best of the best).
There's no credit checks, and you can cancel at anytime. You have access to a lawyer for whatever you need.
It's a must have for anyone making music, or doing any kind of business for themself. Heck, it's a must have for just about anyone in this day and age.
They do all the typical lawyer stuff (defense in a trial, getting you out of jail, etc) and some other stuff you wouldn;t think of having a lawyer do normally if you had to pay- like fighting your traffic tickets, reviewing and writing all your contracts, taking care of incorrect bills (and fixing your credit), writing your will, and all kinds of other stuff.
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MartyB · Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:53 am Post subject:

Sorry dumb post, it was late and i was bored. deleted...
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Hackenslash · Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:14 am Post subject:

Did you have a question that was not answered by the above texts?
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VortexWL · Junior Member Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 32

Hi,

I'm from The Netherlands and the Buma/Stemra ( http://www.bumastemra.nl/ ) manages the music rights here.

I have a question about the posting a letter to yourself method (point 3 of original post). The post here says you must register your work at your local copyright office, but the Buma/Stemra says you must post it to yourself.

How can you do this in The Netherlands ? I'm a little bit confused by both post.

Thanks in advance.
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Hackenslash · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject:

Hackenslash · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject:

Couldn't find anywhere on that site where it stated what you suggested. Could you possibly provide a link to the specific place where you found that info?

I will also stick a link to their FAQ page in the initial post, as it's very useful.
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Richard Fdisk · Junior Member Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 51

I'm assuming that since this thread isn't "Locked" that it's ok if I ask another question here even though no one has touched it in 2 months

anyway, about "Posting" a copy and the ways to fraudulently create them.
what about "Registered Mail."
where I live, I can go to the local post office or retail post outlet and send a letter/package by "Registered Mail" and when the letter/package is delivered the person on the receiving end has to sign for the package and all of that information including dates sent/received, who signed for it, etc. is recorded with the postal company, would this stand in court, (some of us don't have easy access to actual "copyright/patent" offices have to travel long distances),
since "Registered Mail" is used for other legal things and using it stands up: ie sending a "Registered Letter" to your landlord stating that there is maintenance required on the property, and if it's not repaired within a certain timeframe (must be reasonable) that you reserve the right to hire a contractor to do the repairs and subsequently bill the landlord for the repairs.

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Hackenslash · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:45 am Post subject:

Just noticed another question.

As stated earlier, this is known as "poor man's copyright" and, while there have been successfully prosecuted cases in the past, the reality is that it's simply too easy to change the contents of an envelope, and there is no way to prove that this isn't the case. As timeline evidence, it simply isn't effective. Added to which, anybody who really wanted to rip off your music would work very hard to provide better timeline evidence. It simply doesn't constitute the right kind of protection.
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Richard Fdisk · Junior Member Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 51

Hack;

thanks for the response;

one reason I asked this is because of the fact the "envelopes" for "registered mail" are provided by the post office and any "tampering" with them can easily be noticed, granted if you have to open it as evidence 1 time you're pretty much hooped after that then though.

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Hackenslash · Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject:

They can be opened easily and resealed in a way that can't be noticed.
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phild05 · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:

I'm gonna be doing a CD very soon. Which of these do I need?
http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_resources/grid.html
Some of em? One of em? All of em?
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Kahlbert · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject:

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phild05 · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

Hackenslash · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject:

I read it that the online store should be embedding these data. I'll see what I can find out from other sources.
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rx7heaven · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject:

I know this is quite an old thread and i have read it with some concern to say the least ! Shocked

I am quite new to all this, but at the moment i have a vip soundclick account.
I have 5 songs that i wrote, recorded and then uploaded onto my soundclick page for anyone to stream or download for free.

The only licensing options available when upload a song are , ,

1/ No licensing.

2/ creative commons license.

3/ paid licensing ( a fee for leasing the rights, or for exclusive rights)

What box should i be ticking for my own protection and obviously for the protection of my material ? ?

I very, very mistakenly ticked the creative commons license , , but i have changed it to paid licensing from this evening, , but after reading one of the earlier posts about creative commons licensing, i crapped myself , , , what are my options within soundclick , , how best to protect my music ??

The 5 songs are only rough demos at present, but the main tune, , melody, lyrics etc will be much the same when i prepare the final versions early next year.

Honestly , i *klonk* myself reading this thread, , , i never realised how bad a creative commons was, i rushed in with eyes closed just too eager to get my songs onto my webpage.

Surely having a song on a website is copywrite of some description , , ie/ surely soundclick know when the song was uploaded etc ? ? ? ?
I dont think for one minute that any of my songs are worthy of being stolen, , but hell , , , i sure would be *quiz* if it did happen.

How can i protect myself in the uk.
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Hackenslash · Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject:

Take the 'no licensing' option, ot the 'paid licensing' option.

Read the first post in the thread again for more specific advice. Copyright is automatic on commiting your work to a hard medium, ie, a recording or paper. Registration is to ensure that you can prove your right to assert yourself as the owner of the material in question. All the info you need is at www.copyrightservice.co.uk
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rx7heaven · Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject:

So , in effect, if i choose the no licencing option, and i suddenly hear a blatent rip off of one of my songs, i should be able to prove its mine by the fact that it was recorded and uploaded to a website on a specified date ? ?
Does that give me something that will stand up in a court of law somewhere ?

Thanks for your help , , kev
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Hackenslash · Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject:

^^ The date stamp from your upload can provide some timeline evidence, but on its own it wouldn't amount to much. Mostly what you need are things like your written notes, graded cpr files, bits and bobs. None of these things is a good substitute for proper registration of your copyright, but they can help in a case where neither party has an effective registration. That's what registration is all about. Remember that copyright is automatic once your piece is laid down in some hard format, such as a CD or on paper, but actually proving your copyright is a different matter, as explained earlier in the thread.

Hope that helps.
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lanter · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:04 am Post subject:

Anyone knows about or tried this?

http://www.worldwideocr.com/index.asp

Would like to hear some opinions
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Hackenslash · Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject:

Interesting stuff, Jan. I will be doing a major update to this thread soon, specifically on the subject of creative commons licensing. There are some new versions of CC licensing that are now available, and they address many of the issues in the original CC formulation, including clauses for 'no derivative' licensing, which protects against non-,echanical infringements. Keep an eye on this thread, as I will also be laying out some alternative licensing procedures.
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Discoworx · Member Joined: 02 Mar 2009 Posts: 363 Location: Krakow

Just throwing this in guys as a general guideline.

A) there is NO limit in the actual length of a musical sample being used ,i.e measure/bar/Note etc. (although concerning Drum loops, there is not a case EVER went to court for a sampled drum loop on its own being used incidentally)................generally it is classed a musical "sample" If it is a "recogniseable piece of the original work" however long or short, No Ifs or buts, this is the standard. and by being recogniseable that is up to the courts/musicologist to decide , if you wanna go that far!

also to let a few of you know, if you use a Sample, you normally would have to get permission from the owner of the copyright (either the Artist OR Record Label) AND the owner or the recording/publishing rights (label or publisher), please note it is not commonly the same people holding both "rights". the major problem concerning all of this, is the type of Record contract the artist signed at the time of the recording, or if the copyrights were assigned to another party for a fixed term under the record contract.

although covers tend to be easier to clear, just remember that the actual copyright can be , and often is, assigned to the record label for a fixed term, and is not necessarily held by the artist.

the following only as a guideline , if you use a recogniseable sample, you would normally to contact the Artist AND the publisher, if you do a cover version, you normally only need to contact the publisher, as they normally hold the rights of exploitation, and this is classed a derivative work (a cover version, is a derivative work, and has to be approved, so as not to constitute a derogatory work to the original recording...........you get me!

....................but most publishers give the go ahead, if it is up to par,and they also normally let the artist hear it too as a formality, but if the artist is in a publishing deal, he normally has signed his expoitation rights to the publisher,who in turn has no legal obligation to let the artist stop the derivative work, as thats why he has a publishing deal, to let the publisher EXPLOIT the work in any way possible to maximise revenue from the original work......get me???....

Sample == speak to the artist
Cover == speak to the publisher

and also, and i am only speaking about the UK, THERE IS NO FORMAL WAY OF ASSURING YOUR COPYRIGHT BEING PROVED, even the PRS/MCPS advise UK members to use the old postal method, as it is up to the courts to decide on a case by case basis, that you can prove beyond reasonable doubt as to your claim of original copyright, and whether you can prove ownership of the original recording, so using the above US website is actually MORE costly and certainly NOT a viable alternative to proving copyright ownership in the UK.

the best and most legally standing system in the UK, is to place the copy of a recording in your banks possession with a stamped dated receipt of the deposit,costs about 45GBP,
or as I mentioned use the tried and tested recorded postal system. 2GBP.

again to reiterate, in the UK, there is no official way of proving copyright until the day of the court case!.

Proving copyright is done in the courts!.
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Hackenslash · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject:

Mobius · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject:

Hi,

I've only just come across this thread.

I have just registered 2 songs with www.songcopyright.org/ for $35 USD.

Seems to be a USA organisation, but I'm a UK songwriter. They say on their website that:

TheHobbit · Member Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 474 Location: U.K

Would probably be a good idea to email them direct, ask your questions of concern and post back to the forums - useful info Smile

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Hackenslash · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:04 am Post subject: