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 Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: Your feedback on MR816 CSX/X |
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We´d like to thank you all for your comments and suggestions about our new hardware. I´d like to point out that we appreciate this very much.
We´re currently carrying out a first review since the release and would be very much interested in further feedback from you.
I´d like to encourage you to post all your opinions and experiences on MR816 CSX/X here. This could be for example driver stabilty, audio quality, integration in Cubase etc.
Thanks a lot again.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: Opportunity to re-load project driver |
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Very often I forget to turn the power for the MR816 CSX on, and Nuendo opens the form showing the "Missing Ports".
Suggestion:
Is it possible from that form to get an option, e.g. button, like "Try to re-load project driver"?
That way I do not need to restart Nuendo: Just turn the power on for the MR816 CSX and re-load the driver that was used when the project was saved.
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I've had the MR816CSX for a couple of weeks now and think that it works real nicely. The preamps sound great and I really like the quick connect feature.
My only complaints are -
1. I wish the dsp effects and headphone setup interfaces could be set to "always on top". Every time I select one of these windows it messes up my project window.
2. Also I wish that the headphone volume/amp could work independently of the master volume. I really have to crank the master volume in order to make the headphones loud enough.
Other than those issues, I think that the unit is great!
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I totally agree, tadpole 
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AndrewW
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A friend of mine just got the MR816 and at the same time we are building a new DAW - Q9550, Gigabyte Motherboard, 16gigs of RAM etc.
But the only thing missing here are the 64bit drivers for MR816 to run on Vista Ultimate 64bit!!!
We need 64 bit drivers!!!!!
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Ok, my early impressions.
1. It sounds pretty darn good. Good enough that the other little "gotchas" won't really matter much.
2. The monitoring reverb thing is ... uh ... quirky at best. Why? Well...
In practice you record a take (say vocals) and you use the Rev-X as cans verb... fine. But the problem is what happens when you immediately play that take back or you overdub, the recorded takes don't have access to the Rev-X you're still using for tracking. It creates a little bit of an odd monitoring situation... slapping in another plugin verb for the playback side to keep the Rev-X available for the input monitoring side. Strange. Throw it over to the other side and you can't use it for input signals when in direct monitoring.
It could easily be a distraction for a vocalist, wet/dry or whatever.
I'm still playing with it but I like how it sounds. I'm not convinced the dsp will be as useful as I thought it would be but the unit sounds pretty darn good.
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I still cannot get the reverb to work......both while monitoring or as a VST FX.
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I have a MacPro 2ghz with Cubase 4.5.2 & I just got the MR816 CSX yesterday. I had issues in the beginning but I've seemed to get it to work fairly well. At first I couldn't get any audio out of Cubase, now all but one song is working (I can't figure out why this one song isn't playing...may be something was corrupted in the song file? Any one know how to fix that? All of the settings are the same as songs that play. The pres sound significantly clearer & brighter than the Konnekt 48 imho. I used to have a Konnekt 48 but after having to return it 3 times for faulty hardware (not to mention their lousy drivers, which have gone through over a dozen updates) I decided it was time to move on. Too bad, because the GUI was great & their customer service was top-notch. Nothing but good things to say about their techs. The plug-ins that come with the 816 csx aren't bad at all. The verb is dense-sounding & super simple to use without any ringing. I haven't really given the morphing compression strip a good work-over yet, but the few adjustments I made sounded musical enough, maybe a bit noisy. The conversion sounds accurate.....I'm used to hearing the K48 converters so I'm still getting used to hearing all of my songs differently. I agree with Tadpole on the separate headphone volume control.....having the master volume affect the headphone volume first is unnecessary. I'm having issues with switching from Cubase to Safari with the driver not re-activating properly; it seems that when I switch back to Cubase after listening to audio from the internet I no longer have any audio playing out of Cubase (no moving meters or anything, just the midi meter jumping up & down to the metronome). Overall I'm much happier with this unit than I was when I first got the Konnekt. I'm sure the few issues I've uncovered will be resolved. I'll be emailing support about them.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Issues with the driver under Mac OS |
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I'm definitely having issues with the driver under 10.5.5. My CSX only works with about 70% of my existing song files that all worked fine with my Konnekt48. I've posted more detailed info under the "Any Mac Users With 816" topic, because Marcus is experiencing similar issues. I'm hoping this can get resolved soon. I'd like to keep this unit. 
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| AudioCave wrote: | Ok, my early impressions.
1. It sounds pretty darn good. Good enough that the other little "gotchas" won't really matter much.
2. The monitoring reverb thing is ... uh ... quirky at best. Why? Well...
In practice you record a take (say vocals) and you use the Rev-X as cans verb... fine. But the problem is what happens when you immediately play that take back or you overdub, the recorded takes don't have access to the Rev-X you're still using for tracking. It creates a little bit of an odd monitoring situation... slapping in another plugin verb for the playback side to keep the Rev-X available for the input monitoring side. Strange. Throw it over to the other side and you can't use it for input signals when in direct monitoring.
It could easily be a distraction for a vocalist, wet/dry or whatever.
I'm still playing with it but I like how it sounds. I'm not convinced the dsp will be as useful as I thought it would be but the unit sounds pretty darn good. |
Okay so he posted this on Nov.13th Steinberg has not responded with a "yes this can be fixed in an update",so I'm gathering that this will NOT be fixed? I'm only going on what you guys are leading me to believe from your rare responses to future requests as a whole from dealing with you guys as a software company etc..
One thing that makes this hard to digest for me,is Angus does not mention this in the video that they have on their site,it appears from the video,that it's straight away ,but this makes it a workaround,my question is,is this just temporary or is this the way the unit is designed to work?
I agree thats a strange way of recording and monitoring.I would think the artist/engineer would want to hear the playback exactly like he tracked it to make decisions from that.Steinberg one more shot here,will this be fixed in an update?
A response would be nice,and have been waiting for a steinberg rep with the foreknowledge to comment...This will affect my purchase for sure,as I would NOT want to purchase the unit if the dsp situation didn't reflect what is being shown in the video.
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Hello,
| Quote: | | this just temporary or is this the way the unit is designed to work? |
This is designed to work this way.
Switching the DSP's from the input busses to the audio tracks takes less the 3 sec. But when you playback your recording, then you can use ofcourse all your other plugins in Cubase.
A headphone mix from (one of) the musiciens is not the mix you want to hear as an engineer when you play back the recording 
Gr,
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: Any word on a fix for MacPro users? |
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There are now three people experiencing the same problems with the driver for the MR using Mac OS on an Intel based MacPro. Are you guys working on a fix? Are you aware of the issues with the driver for Apple users? A response from someone at Yamaha would be nice....
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Chris thanks for the response.
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Thanks to you all for your feedback and your thoughts. We´re under investigation which of the mentioned points can be changed and improved on the MR816. As soon as we have concrete information about enhancements and updates I will let you all now. Until then please keep going on giving us your opinions.
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Please PLease Please sort out the OSX driver issues, I've got 2 816's sat in my rack here and I can't use them 
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| Stefan Schreiber wrote: | Thanks to you all for your feedback and your thoughts. We´re under investigation which of the mentioned points can be changed and improved on the MR816. As soon as we have concrete information about enhancements and updates I will let you all now. Until then please keep going on giving us your opinions.
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Stefan thank you for responding.Very eager to hear from you.
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| marcus c wrote: | Please PLease Please sort out the OSX driver issues, I've got 2 816's sat in my rack here and I can't use them
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Hey Marcus, you got any further with the hardware issues? I'm holding off upgrading to mac pro until whatever issues are sorted.
Hope you get sorted.
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MR 816 CSX,
new soundcard for new asus p6t deluxe motherboard and intel i7 940 cpu, XP pro SP3 32 bit. Wonderful device. I wanted to work from headphones. Took a day to realise I had to turn them on in software before the panel dials did anything. It has a wonderful sound.
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I've got some issues with the MR816CSX using a Mac Pro (first gen intel mac pro 2x dual core 2.66mhz).
I'm not experiences sudden loss of connection to the MR816 so far, but I have had some instances where I've changed bitrate, and then the connection is lost. Also, first starting live, and then cubase seems to make the connection drop sometimes. The connection will always be dropped when computer is put to sleep which is super annoying really. OSX rarely needs to be restarted when I use it normally...maybe once a week, but now I'm finding I have to restart the machine every time I'm about to use it which is retarded. Switched to the MR816 from a Fireface 400, and it never had those type of issues.
Overall it seems like the firewire driver for the MR816 needs some work on OSX. It's evidently not very robust at all.
Other than that I've tested recording and playback using all 16 connections (i have adat connection to my mixer) and it works very well. Much simpler than the Fireface, and it's nice that it's all integrated into cubase. Hopefully we'll get an updated driver for osx very soon, but I find it quite sloppy that they ship the unit with such evident software flaws. I can still use the unit, but it's making me do annoying workarounds. |
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| Additionally, I've now lost connection to the MR816 a few times when Cubase crashes. |
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Have a unit within 2 weeks two preamps stopped working,Steinberg/Yamaha is looking into the matter.. Let you know
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Dropouts here. Have yet to figure it out. Not from lack of trying or experience..Bummer
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Soundquality is excellent. Drivers are stable (XP Pro Sp3).
Annoying:
The master knob affects volume on all outputs, even headphones and the ones connected to external (hardware) fx. I´d prefer to be able to choose what outputs the master will control.
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my 816 sounds and works great for me, so good im getting rid of my old soundcraft desk.
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http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=112303
Here's part of my experience
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| Chris Beuermann wrote: | Hello,
| Quote: | | this just temporary or is this the way the unit is designed to work? |
This is designed to work this way.
Switching the DSP's from the input busses to the audio tracks takes less the 3 sec. But when you playback your recording, then you can use ofcourse all your other plugins in Cubase.
A headphone mix from (one of) the musiciens is not the mix you want to hear as an engineer when you play back the recording
Gr,
Chris |
dear chris,with all respect,how can you postulate this?
1. i`ve been working on lots of records,and i tell you: yes, i want to hear the same reverb the singer has on the cans......
2. it`s not only about the engeneer or producer,the SINGER needs to hear the same all the time to keep the mood,regardless if the daw is in stop,record or playback mode.
3. as i wrote on another post on the same subject,the workaround with some other reverb is completely unsatisfying.
after buyng i realised this,and i`m totally dissapointed.
i appreciate the work of you steinberg guys,but i will never understand,why this wasn`t planned right for a new interface sold as `fully integrated`.
we do not talk about a missing feature,we talk about something essential........
sorry,but the developers did a step in the right direction,but didn`t think it to the end.....i just cannot get it. to me it looks like nobody with a solid background in recording talked with the developers about this...????
as i said before,i like what steinberg is doing,but in this case...........forget the quick controls,forget the nice blue led`s, please care for the essentials.
please fix this somehow,then this unit will be a serious new step in `full integration`
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Just want to report here that macbook+MR816+Cubase is working flawlessly, outstanding..and sounds great. Had some troubles with a pc laptop but since I switched to a macbook life is good!
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A few folks have reported it's working better on mac's then pc..  hope they can fix this..
I've noticed a few issues as of late to where it's crashing/loosing connections again.. jeez..
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| zinimoon wrote: | | Chris Beuermann wrote: | Hello,
| Quote: | | this just temporary or is this the way the unit is designed to work? |
This is designed to work this way.
Switching the DSP's from the input busses to the audio tracks takes less the 3 sec. But when you playback your recording, then you can use ofcourse all your other plugins in Cubase.
A headphone mix from (one of) the musiciens is not the mix you want to hear as an engineer when you play back the recording
Gr,
Chris |
dear chris,with all respect,how can you postulate this?
1. i`ve been working on lots of records,and i tell you: yes, i want to hear the same reverb the singer has on the cans......
2. it`s not only about the engeneer or producer,the SINGER needs to hear the same all the time to keep the mood,regardless if the daw is in stop,record or playback mode.
3. as i wrote on another post on the same subject,the workaround with some other reverb is completely unsatisfying.
after buyng i realised this,and i`m totally dissapointed.
i appreciate the work of you steinberg guys,but i will never understand,why this wasn`t planned right for a new interface sold as `fully integrated`.
we do not talk about a missing feature,we talk about something essential........
sorry,but the developers did a step in the right direction,but didn`t think it to the end.....i just cannot get it. to me it looks like nobody with a solid background in recording talked with the developers about this...????
as i said before,i like what steinberg is doing,but in this case...........forget the quick controls,forget the nice blue led`s, please care for the essentials.
please fix this somehow,then this unit will be a serious new step in `full integration`
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