Most amazing update so far ! Gratulations !

[Chris Beuermann]

Hello Audiocave,

We did allot of internal test and checked them with the best plugins on the market. And the tests regarding VariAudio are very positive.

Real Work:

I recorded several live gigs and did 2 demo CD's. Correcting the Vocals was very easy and very good. I also had to "work" on a Sax --> no problemo (and that is not the easyest instrument) One of the bands of the Demo CD's decided to change some of the notes of the bass, so it would fit better in the mix --> "Just Drag and Drop". Ofcourse there will be a limitation somewhere.....

Gr,

Chris
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[bnz]

The Melodyne DNS editor is still much more expensive than the upgrade from Cubase 4 and people still have to get their hands on DNA. So far, nobody knows whether it's really working well and for most common purposes you deal with monophonic tracks. I am really happy since i was always about to buy a pitch correction software. Now, i basically get it for free as i would have upgraded to Cubase 5 for the other features alone. Thats cool!

[vytis]

Well done Steinberg! I've just bought Cubase 4 a month ago and that falls within grace period so I'm really pleased I'd been postponing my purchase...
While there are things I'm pleased with (such as the multi-export tool, convolution reverb and N4-like automation improvements), I'd also like to say that I'm very much concerned about how clogged up and inconsistent the user interface has become! Plugins, dialogs, buttons... everything just looks a bit messy. Some portions come from SX(1), some from SX3, some from C4, some from C4.2, some from C5... Each section uses a skin corresponding to its own era. A bit like MS Windows (you can still spot Windows 95 icons in Vista). I do appreciate it that this time features were prioritised over the looks. So hopefully the UI will be ironed out through 5.x updates.

Just use one consistent skin ('look') for everything!

Anyway, thanks for the update.

Cheers.
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[Chris Beuermann]

Hello,

[Fuzzymusic]

[AudioCave]

[Bob Yordan]

:yay:

Finally the built in 'melodyne' I wished for a couple of years ago.

The expression feature, can be very useful. Halion Orchestra.

C5 = GREAT UPGRADE!


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[vytis]

Chris,

I appreciate the optimisations. But what I'm refering to is the overall user interface inconsistency - audio processing windows (Pitch shift or Envelope) and plugins such as DaTube, MIDI Gate, StepFilter, Tonic, Metalizer - still share that oldskool SX1 look right next to Cubase 4 skins (mixer, project window, EQ), and then there's the new C5 PitchShift or Reverence and also the flashy new drum machines - all designed at different periods and that's what makes it all feel 'clogged up'. Ableton Live 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 has a consistent user interface, Pro Tools 7 and to some extent 8 has a consistent interface, Logic 7 & 8 has a consistent interface - so what's stopping Cubase 5?! Rather than directly criticising, I'm simply encouraging Steinberg to get everything ironed out so that it feels like a complete product. It would be really really really great if everything would get unified (or re-designed by a single designer team - whoever did that for C4).

I understand that it becomes very difficult to manage and spot all these different modules in such big projects, but someone could go through everything and iron out the looks.

Don't take this as negative - I'm more frustrated than disappointed.

Thanks!

All the best,

Vytis

[Chris Beuermann]

Hello,

Alomost all plugins have a new GUI, and in some cases some new functions. So please have a closer look or gather more information.

Gr,

Chris
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[sigmatibet]

GREAT job, well done Steinberg.
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[Cerebral Infect]

I am one of the lurkers who read most of your tragedic stories with Cubase 4. So I decided to skip the C4 upgrade and wait for the C5 knowing that the upgrade would be the same price for C4 and SX3.0 owner.

I am satisfied with this update/upgrade and will buy it. There is only one basic thing missing : a basic sampler where you can drag and drop a single sample, a filter, a lfo and 2 envelopes and play it over midi. But it is possible to get a free one elsewhere.

For the people complaining about the new Plugins and Core functionnality. I think Steinberg addressed their two customers groups : new customers who starts from scratch and existing customers. The featured pluggin set in Cubase 4 was not that incredible. Now with the beat sampler, the tuning plugin and the Convulation, Cubase has grown to a real basic music production system. I already have Melodyne, Fxpansion Guru, third EQ plugins and Altiverb and still will use them in the future over these new pluggins. But If they would have been there when I started to use Cubase (SX1 in my case), it would have made my music production way better.

As for the existing users, the two mains complaint were the batch export and the automation problems, both of which seems to be adressed.... hopefully. I hope also that this cubase 5 is a cubase 4.... but will all majors bugs fixed and not a cubase 5 with a whole new sets of issues. And it not really a winning publicity strategy by saying : Yeah, with this upgrade, we fixed all the issues that should had been fixed in C4 rigth from the start.

So I`ll start using C5, but you all made me frigthened of the Mediabay.

[Doublehelix]

I too see little here that is of use for me in the new features, as I am almost 100% audio and little-to-no midi, and I have more than enough plugins, including both Melodyne and Auto-Tune.

However, the upgrade does look impressive, and it is obvious that Steinberg put a lot of effort into it.

I am excited that they added the automation features of Nuendo (at least it looks that way) and Temp Track, but as Tones2 mentions, the Batch Export looks like a version 1, which I guess it is, after all!!! Even Phil's program, which I use regularly, had to start somewhere, right? I am sure there will be enhancements as time goes on, but I certainly applaud the inclusion of some form of batch export.

Here is hoping that some of the bugs plaguing 4.52 have been addressed, especially the mute/solo bug.

It looks to me that Steinberg is moving in a direction however that is opposite to mine where they are focusing more on beat creation with an emphasis on midi whereas I almost exclusively record bands. As such, I was hoping for something along the lines of Pro Tools Elastic Audio, which does not appear to be included. It may be time for me to consider Pro tools as well.

Nice job Steinberg, and congratulations on a brand new release! It looks very nice indeed, and should do VERY well!
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[AudioCave]

Let me ask some questions. Some I don't know the answers to and some just never got asked. I use Cubase on 2 desktops and a laptop, I just plug in my key and work ... so with that said.

1. Melodyne. Great product that I don't own. Can you use it on more than one system?
2. Altiverb. I do own it and love it. Only installs on one system, the studio system. I can't use it on the laptop or the other desktop with the same license.
3. S.I.R. Good free convolver but it doesn't come with any IR's. Some free IR's are good... some not. I expect these to be better and more varied and I expect this plugin to generally behave better in Cubase... not that SIR was a problem.

So, with all of these 3rd party tools - some better than what Steiny is offering for sure - how many are portable? It's certainly added value to me if I'm off somewhere with my laptop mixing to have good pitching and tuning, a decent convolver with some really good IR's and perhaps some instruments I can work with like those loop machines etc, etc if I'm doing that kind of music. This goes to "different strokes" and "different value for different people".

Now EZDrummer will install in two of the 3 places so ... I have it in the studio and the laptop.

All those great 3rd party tools (some I own) would only be good to me outside of the studio if their licensing allows multiple installs... or at least two installs. This is one reason - given two similar tools - I'd rather have them "native" in the daw on the very same license ... especially a dongled daw like Cubase that I can use anywhere I can plug the dongle in.

The more high quality plugs and instruments included, the better and the more flexible it becomes. Where Cubase goes, they all go. I can sit on a park bench and tune vocals on my day job lunch break in a Melodyne-like interface. Cool with me.

As it stands now if my studio system crashed I'm confident that Cubase 4-5 on another system by itself would have enough high quality plugs and instruments to get a WHOLE lot done with nothing else. That's a good thing. I'm actually considering giving their commercial VSTi's a closer look for that very reason... if the licenses can go on the dongle.
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[Beryliam]

I can see why some may not like all of the new moves that have been made but the one's that actually seem angry before they've spent another dime also seem to be the ones who have bought and whined about every Cubase update forever. And they'll buy this one too.
And they don't seem to think there's anything strange about that.

I'll wait til the normal guys have been round the block with it a while. At least they know that a $5000 car isn't going to be the same as a Ferrari and go bleating about alloy wheels. (That's analogy... it makes you sneeze).

[AudioCave]

If I told you how many places - friends personal "studios" with PTLE etc, etc, hobbiysts, songwriters dens - I have Cubase installed and just walk in with my dongle and work with them with Cubase and freeware plugs you'd be shocked.

Bring on the convolver and the drum thingies. I'll certainly use them all.

I often travel (when doing those things) with the Cubase install files on a USB key and my dongle around my neck. Unlike many I LOVE the dongle. It's freedom to use what you paid for anywhere you want.
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[Beryliam]

Just a thought but they've already managed to get us all posting in the forum for the product no-one owns yet. I think they know that all who post therein will buy the magic hit-making program whatever they say.

[dada]

[dada]

[Aldanor]

I wonder if people in SB are making bets on how far will people on the forum go debating about the software they haven't even seen yet, before C5 is officially out

[moskvariver]

There were a few things I would have liked to see:

1) The Arranger Track inspired by Live's Session View to allow arranging individual clips, not just blocks in time. Loopmash fills this space with audio clips, but I work in MIDI clips with VSTi's so it doesn't help there.

2) Instrument Tracks with multi-out capability. Pro Tools has a great solution where the synth's additional outs are exposed as Audio Inputs for audio tracks.

3) Answer to Pro Tools' elastic audio.

I am really impressed with VST Expression, the convolution reverb, and VariAudio in particular. I have to decide whether I want to upgrade from CS4 to C5 (there's very little reason to go from CS4 to CS5 for me), or get PT8. I was hoping this release would swing me one way or the other, but I'm still undecided.
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[ARIEL]

Well I need to reply to this , I am looking forward to this upgrade , As A full time music guy all the extra features will be very useful , Some of you called it childish upgrades or have been complaining without even getting it ?? Now That is just negative silly and lame . I produce many bands locally plus compose so I will benefit from the auto tune stuff as well as the new VST3 convo verb which means I can stop using Altiverb . Some of you referred to FL stuff . I really don't want to have to slave reason or anything else to C5 - I prefer to have it all in one unit . SO A User Of Cubase 4 looking forward to Cubase 5 - good job guys !!!
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[Aldanor]

[pr0gr4m]

One badly timed drum hit doesn't require multi-track audio quantization to fix.

[ARIEL]

[stonefree]

[TheOracle]

[Unicorn]

I also really hoped for Multi Track Audio Quantizing.
Editing drums is just no fun

And I wonder if the groove agent sampler has multiple outputs and can layer drums sounds at one key depending on the midi velocity like Battery can.

[Doctor Dongle]