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 Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: Most amazing update so far ! Gratulations ! |
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I have to say, that´s a stunning new release... I skipped v4 completely, but there is no way I will be able to skip v5.
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Superconductor
Tempo Track in Project Window
Batch Export
Full 64 bit support
Loopmash
new project logical editor
advanced mediabay
THANKS!
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Batch export - Does NOT export individual parts, only full tracks. Thus, if you have one part at the beginning of the song that lasts for one bar, and another at the end of a 5 minute song for one bar, you get a full 5 minute of track export, not the 20 or so seconds you should. Multiply this for 50 tracks or so and your harddrive is going to fill up VERY fast, This scenario is typical for me at least, except I have 10+ minute songs.  Phil's "Multi-Export" does this MUCH MUCH better, with a LOT more options. Once again, Steinberg doesn't think through the implementation of a function - they just want to SAY they have "Batch Export". This function is useless to me - I'll stick with Phil's app.
Full 64 Bit support - This is good but the MAIN thing we want is 32 bit plug-in compatability that actually WORKS. The preview version was awful. Let's see if any changes were made.
Tempo Track in Project Window - This is good if it actually works. I fear that they have broken the "Process Bars" function in the process. I'll reserve judgement until I test it. But this could be the ONLY real useful thing in this update.
Sorry, but this update is not great. I hate that these updates have been focusing on plug-ins and half developed function implementations.
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I have to agree I think it's a great update. I also like the features of dragging events from the Project window to a pad in Groove Agent One and "Slice Audio to MIDI". Love the batch export function! I am excited, and can't wait to get the update!
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the only "amazing" thing was the TempoTrack/TimeSig inplace in project.
I'm not interested in those Beat Toys that remind me of FL-Studio, and the Steinberg's version of VariOS or Melodyne.
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"I hate that these updates have been focusing on plug-ins and half developed function implementations."
As it's always been and will surely continue to be...  |
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I am looking forward to this update. woot woot, go steinberg!!!
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these updates should have been added to Cubase 4, plus bug fixes. FOR FREE. (well, not all of them, who needs those cheap plug-ins and Symphonic halion TRIAL period?!!)
look how many features were added to ProTools 7.4 at NO COST.
Steiny just want to stirr ignorant public with number "5", attract ignorant buyers.
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I might be what ts-12 refers to as "ignorant buyer" but I'm definitely excited about the new version, especially the VST expression stuff. The new automation and tempo track in project window alone would have made it worth the upgrade fee for me. At first all the beat creation stuff seemed a bit underwhelming but after seeing them in action in the video, I might have use for them after all.
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| allusion76 wrote: | | I am looking forward to this update. woot woot, go steinberg!!! |
If you're looking forward for this update, there's a quicker path: FL-Studio 8, FL-Studio's toys might be even more suitable for all that childish stuff....
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| ts-12 wrote: | | allusion76 wrote: | | I am looking forward to this update. woot woot, go steinberg!!! |
If you're looking forward for this update, there's a quicker path: FL-Studio 8, FL-Studio's toys might be even more suitable for all that childish stuff.... |
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| martello wrote: | | ts-12 wrote: | | allusion76 wrote: | | I am looking forward to this update. woot woot, go steinberg!!! |
If you're looking forward for this update, there's a quicker path: FL-Studio 8, FL-Studio's toys might be even more suitable for all that childish stuff.... |
Wrong |
FL's FPC existed much Longer than Steinberg's GROOVE AGENT ONE.
And If you need that "Beat Designer" thing, and FL's Step sequencer, and Sonar's Step-sequencer exist for quite some time now.
btw, Melodyne now has direct note access.
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The point is that we can all get any 3rd party plug-in we need that can do much better what Steinberg includes as plug-ins. What we CAN'T get from 3rd parties is CORE FUNCTION enhancements. This should be the focus of Cubase development. There's have been things requested for years and years that STILL have not been implemented.
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Who's talking about "we"?
I buy software for ME not "we".
You like what you like and I like what I like. Please stop insulting other users for their personal choices and preferences, that's what's childish.
Jesus. Just tell Steiny you're not happy with the update, you won't buy it, and leave it at that. Why the need to insult other users as "ignorant"?
Just use something else as they obviously aren't making you happy. I do take offense at the suggestion I may be "ignorant" for upgrading or someone else for buying being fully aware of what else is out there. Man...
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I tend to agree with Tones2. Steinberg should focus on core functionality of Cubase and only supply very basic starting point plugins. In fact, I don't use a single Steinberg plugin. All my third party plugins are better. They have to be, because for some of them I have paid more than the cost of Cubase.
One of the thing I dislike about Sonar is them trying to sell each update with a new set of plugins, typically budget versions made by third party suppliers who hope users will upgrade to the full product.
That said, I am happy to see the Steinberg convolution reverb. That will be the first Steiny plugin I will use, because with convulution the sound depends on the IR file, not a plugin algorithm. So this is more like a wave play back in a track.
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| Doctor Dongle wrote: | | I tend to agree with Tones2. Steinberg should focus on core functionality of Cubase and only supply very basic starting point plugins. In fact, I don't use a single Steinberg plugin. All my third party plugins are better. They have to be, because for some of them I have paid more than the cost of Cubase. |
And yet you somehow managed to express that clearly and maturely without insulting other people who don't work for Steinberg that you don't really know.
I also agree with *some* of that sentiment but I also like their plugins. I don't run Steinberg so... saying it over and over hasn't worked so far so I don't dwell on it as long as I get some of what I want. I did.
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Threads like these teach me why mankind stands where it stands today.
For my part, I am looking forward to this new version. Quite some useful things in there.
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| Doctor Dongle wrote: | | One of the thing I dislike about Sonar is them trying to sell each update with a new set of plugins, typically budget versions made by third party suppliers who hope users will upgrade to the full product. |
There's a 90-day Halion Orchestral thingy trial in there which might be interesting if it's not limited in any way. Kinda like what you say above, hoping you'll buy.
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| Doctor Dongle wrote: | I tend to agree with Tones2. Steinberg should focus on core functionality of Cubase and only supply very basic starting point plugins. In fact, I don't use a single Steinberg plugin. All my third party plugins are better. They have to be, because for some of them I have paid more than the cost of Cubase.
One of the thing I dislike about Sonar is them trying to sell each update with a new set of plugins, typically budget versions made by third party suppliers who hope users will upgrade to the full product.
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That is one reason why I left Sonar. Hated the third world country bloat
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If any of Steinberg users here feel offended by my posts , I Apologize to those.
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| I generally don't think all-in-one approach is good, but I like how some of the new features seem to integrate into the host. |
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I liked the look of the Articulation stuff, hopefully that means I can get rid of the awkward Articulation tool for my old Giga Vienna Library.
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| Tones2 wrote: | | The point is that we can all get any 3rd party plug-in we need that can do much better what Steinberg includes as plug-ins. |
Er, thats the same for any DAW on the market.
The melodyne style pitch correction really interests me, only time and actual testing will tell how it compares sound quality wise to melodynes single instrument tweaking.
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I think we should all wait commenting on the core functionalities until we actually try C5 for ourselves. How can any of you state Steinberg didn't enhance / optimize core functionalites when you haven't tried C5 yet ?
I am NOT saying they DID any core functionality enhancements - but at least we could wait bad-mouthing the update until we actually try it ourselves.
If ALL new features and enhancements were mentioned in the initial release notes it would be a first.
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Not that keen here so far,
Just to cutty pastey loopy for me.
Not what I need at all.
All the extra that would be of some interest I already have via 3rd party.
I will probabaly upgrade, I like to keep everything up to date but day to day I`m going protools I think, It`s seems just more adult & professional in outlook somehow.
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| ts-12 wrote: | | If any of Steinberg users here feel offended by my posts , I Apologize to those. |
Thanks man... that's very gracious of you.
All I'd ask is that if you're angry at Steiny point the anger at Steiny (and also use your wallet to express that) and leave others out of it. We all make different choices for different reasons. I appreciate the apology though. I'm always fully aware when I spend my hard earned dough... as are many others.
I hope they listen to your concerns as some of them I agree with fully.
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| Hippo wrote: | I will probabaly upgrade, I like to keep everything up to date but day to day I`m going protools I think, It`s seems just more adult & professional in outlook somehow.
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You DID see Pro Tools 8 - right ? do you honestly think it is less or more professional looking that Cubase 5 ?
I for one can't see what you're referring to - but different people you know
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| Baas wrote: | I think we should all wait commenting on the core functionalities until we actually try C5 for ourselves. How can any of you state Steinberg didn't enhance / optimize core functionalites when you haven't tried C5 yet ?
I am NOT saying they DID any core functionality enhancements - but at least we could wait bad-mouthing the update until we actually try it ourselves.
If ALL new features and enhancements were mentioned in the initial release notes it would be a first.
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I'm reading through the full manual now. Nothing different than what's on the web site just yet, but if anyone reads anything that I or others might have missed, please report it here.
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"You DID see Pro Tools 8 - right ? do you honestly think it is less or more professional looking that Cubase 5 ?"
Dont much care how it looks, the duller and more staight forward the better, I`m looking for basic reliable tools, not a computer game.
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| AudioCave wrote: | | ts-12 wrote: | | If any of Steinberg users here feel offended by my posts , I Apologize to those. |
Thanks man... that's very gracious of you.
All I'd ask is that if you're angry at Steiny point the anger at Steiny (and use your wallet to express that) and leave others out of it. We all make different choices for different reasons. |
I as well never mean to be insulting which I don;t think I am being. But what comes out is just frustration on the nature of these updates for a LONG LONG time, and what I've / we've been told versus what actually happens.
It's not as easy as letting your wallet express your anger - one non-purchase means nothing. And to switch DAW's is a MAJOR deal of lost time and investment. It's not that simple.
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