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n00b Dogg
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 Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: WILL U MAKE CC121s FADER WORK ON AUTOMATION TRACKS ?? |
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Dear Steinberg,
I have tried many times to to ask you if we will be able to use the
motorfader on AUTOMATION TRACKS in Cubase ?
This means ALL automation-tracks and not just the volume. (AUX send levels for example.)
Will this be possible in a near future ??
Thank You in advance for Your answer.
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why won't steinberg answer that question ???
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Stefan Schreiber
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hello n00b Dogg,
As far as I know it´s possible to use the motorfader on automation tracks in Cubase. Of course it´s for the automation of the channel volume. You just have to select a track then enable write automation and here you go. All other automation parameters can be set easily with the AI knob.
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n00b Dogg
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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That's NOT what I mean. You are misunderstanding.
I mean ALL AUTOMATION tracks such as send levels etc.
The AI knob is not suitable for this. Using the mouse is faster and easier than using this "AI"-knob.
We want to use this proffessionally, which means using the fader like on a real digital console.
Will this be possible ?
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frankymusic
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@ n00b Dogg
If I understand correctly, you want to get the fader working "like" an AI knob, right?
But realizing this would completely "destroy" the fixed assign of the left hand buttons / knob / fader to their predefined functionality...
Wouldn't this confuse the user, when pointing using the mouse would disconnect the fader from the actual channel volume? How to distinguish between the varying functionality?
We should make well-thought-out suggestion to have a chance to get them realized. Maybe there are some ideas?
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n00b Dogg
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:49 am Post subject: |
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you could say that, but in fact, the automation tracks are allready shown as faders in the inspector.
So when i select a fader, I want the fader to be in control.
the fader is a much more "musical" modifier than the wheel. And A LOT faster if you want big changes in short time.
A move that is totally impossible with the wheel. The wheel is only good for buttons and since you allready have the mouse on the parameter that you want to control,
is very often faster to just finish the operation with the mouse.
Making the fader available would be both natural and much more useful than the wheel.
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frankymusic
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| Quote: | | the fader is a much more "musical" modifier than the wheel |
I'm at your side, n00b Dogg, of course, no question...
But, is this a solution to require that the one and only one hardware fader should work in this way? Steinberg should had to consider these wishes before finishing the hardware design, should had, ..., should had...
An additional fader beside the AI knob could resolve "our" requests in a very good way, similarly to the AI knob. But there is no additional fader, sorry.
Therefor again, as I think this is "only" software, what could be the right way to use the actual hardware concept for realizing new ideas? We should describe the way for using that fader for the other purposes in detail! No user should be confused by a concept, that doesn't work "perfectly". Only pointing (using the mouse) at another parameter..., would this really work for us??? 
Again, how to distinguish between the varying functionality? Maybe an option inside the device configuration menu (of the CC121 of course) that switches permanently between the actual behaviour of that hardware fader (control of the channels volume) and the "new idea" of using the fader as an "AI fader"? Would this be acceptable??? Lets find a really good solution that works great for advanced users... 
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n00b Dogg
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| frankymusic wrote: | | Quote: | | the fader is a much more "musical" modifier than the wheel |
I'm at your side, n00b Dogg, of course, no question...
But, is this a solution to require that the one and only one hardware fader should work in this way? Steinberg should had to consider these wishes before finishing the hardware design, should had, ..., should had...
An additional fader beside the AI knob could resolve "our" requests in a very good way, similarly to the AI knob. But there is no additional fader, sorry.
Therefor again, as I think this is "only" software, what could be the right way to use the actual hardware concept for realizing new ideas? We should describe the way for using that fader for the other purposes in detail! No user should be confused by a concept, that doesn't work "perfectly". Only pointing (using the mouse) at another parameter..., would this really work for us???
Again, how to distinguish between the varying functionality? Maybe an option inside the device configuration menu (of the CC121 of course) that switches permanently between the actual behaviour of that hardware fader (control of the channels volume) and the "new idea" of using the fader as an "AI fader"? Would this be acceptable??? Lets find a really good solution that works great for advanced users...
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As I wrote, I just want the fader to modify WHATS SELECTED. So, if I select an automation-fader, then it can be modified with A FADER. It's easy I think. the AI-knob reacts if you hvover the mouse ovr something.
The fader works if a FADER is SELECTED.
What annoys me is that theres is faders on my screen that I can't move with my HARDWARE FADER. And that's just plain stupid.
And I just can't see how and why that should be a problem. I very rarely use my CC121 for that same reason. I most instances, using the AI-knob is just not easier than just using the mouse.
But if I could use the fader for more things, I would use it all the time.
BUT, it would also be nice to be able to use the fader on ANY parameter instead of the AI.....how could this be done? Well....It could be something like pressing 2 buttons to switch between the AI-knob and the fader....maybe...
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+1 NoobDogg. When you only have (1) motorised fader in your system, it conveys itself as illogical.
I am seriously considering getting MC Control Euphonix system - CC121=$AUD900, MC Control=$AUD2400 tho.
U gotta have motorised faders- for mixing. |
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+1 NoobDogg. When you only have (1) motorised fader in your system, it conveys itself as illogical.
I am seriously considering getting MC Control Euphonix system - CC121=$AUD900, MC Control=$AUD2400 tho.
U gotta have motorised faders- for mixing.
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How about a 'flip' button so the Fader and the AI knob switch places or the fader temporarily mirrors the AI knob functionality. Or as previously stated, when one of the automation tracks is visible and selected for the fader to follow and control that parameter instead of the channel volume. Disappointed this is not possible yet. Thought this would be a top selling point?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Automating efx send levels can be done using the existing rotary knobs on the cc121 (I understand what you're saying, that you'ld like to be able to assign the cc121 fader to whatever parameter control you like but I dont know of any way to do that).
I regularly do efx automation using the rotary knobs on the cc121. Just set up the cc121 EQ knob's to control fx sends, put the chan into automation write mode and have at it. Granted, it's not a fader, but you wouldn't have a fader on a pro console either. Every desk I'm familiar with has a Volume fader but the rest of the controls are rotary knob's.
I use this set up and can enable/disable fx, adj send levels on the fly etc... Works great.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: |
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many controllers such as the mackie control universal (which I have) have a flip button the flip the fuctions of the pan (pot) and fader. Works great and really helps on complex automation. Too bad Steinberg doesn't really go the extra step on things.
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+1 PLEAAAAASE
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yes. it would be good to have the OPTION to use the fader for automation other than volume.
Like other suggested OPTIONS (eg. switch EQ controls to match the onscreen layout. doh!) it would not affect the experience of users who prefer to stick to the default setup.
Maybe it's a lot of work to implement? (i'd be surprised)
Steinberg should quantify the software development involved and decide if it is justified to enhance their product and better satisfy existing and future customers.
If they have already made this decision - ie. not to - they should share the fact with users so we can consider alternatives.
To have internally decided not to develop CC121 going forward, and keep the fact secret, is shabby business tactics, and bad strategy long term.
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