Wave's TUNE vs Melodyne

[ZapAxe]

Anyone compared the two?

I've been reading some prefer Wave's Tune to Melodyne, saying Wave's is easier to use. I had a chance to try and play with Wave's Tune tonight and I think it's pretty good, though I never have tried Melodyne...but I guess if one has one or the other and they both do a good job. I'd prefer easy over harder any day.
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[Pearldivers]

Hi Steve,

I won't go into arguments about over-priced product, nor am I wanting to start
a debate about the relative effectiveness of Waves plugins. I happen to own
a lot of them and, mostly, they work well and I use them regularly.

My beef is with the Waves sales/support model.

Twice in the last few years my Waves plugins have, for whatever reason,
simply failed to install. No amount of re-installation, re-booting, re-preferencing,
rearranging my entire computer, re-downloading, etc, etc has ever fixed the
problem.

If you ever have a technical failure like this, you cannot get help or advice
from Waves unless you purchase a Waves Update Plan (WUP). I've had to do this twice
just to get all my plugs to work again. I have no doubt it will happen again.
Funny about that.

I've been gradually locating and acquiring other plugins and bits of hardware
so that, third time the Waveshell implodes, I can give it the flick el permanente.
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[ZapAxe]

[MarkOne]

I can't speak for waves tune, but I love Melodyne. It just works, and is very easy to use. For gentle correction it is pretty much artefact free - and even creating 3 part harmonies is very transparent. The ability to modify time and frequency and formant, all graphically. It is just very easy.
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[ZapAxe]

[MarkOne]

Zap

You can grab a note and change it's start point in time and it's end point. You can change it's frequency (pitch) - either automatically or, usually more precisely by hand. You can change the formant of the pitch (The formant is the natural resonance of the mouth/throat/chest, which is what gives a voice it's character, raising the formant without raising the pitch makes it sound more female, lowering the formant without lowering the pitch makes it sound more male). With more extreme pitch changes you can play with the formant to make the newly pitched note more natural.

Other goodies are that you can increase or decrease the natural vibrato in a note (cyclic pitch changes), and you can do the same for non-cyclic variations (i.e. pitch drift where someone goes flat *after* hitting a clean note)

Very powerful tool.

And with Direct Note Access Melodyne Editor also makes a darn good stab at analysing polyphonic material and allowing you to tweak individual notes. It's almost like sci-fi. I had a situation earlier in the year where I recorded an acoustic guitar part, and the guy had played a minor 7th in one part of the verse.On it's own it sounded fine, but when I was arranging everything else, I realised that it should have been a major 7th. I had no chance to get the chap back in again to re-record it, but DNA allowed me to actually change that chord to a major 7th throughout the song. I don't know how useful you'd find this feature but it is amazing (once you understand it's limitations)

Melodyne has a 30 day tryout too: http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=demos

worth a look, then you can compare it to the waves stuff.
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[Tommy-boy]

I'm also a huge fan of Melodyne. It is a very intuitive and easy program to use - the UI, is simplicity itself. And the results are really good. I tend only to only use minor pitch corrections with vocals (mine). I haven't used it to make big pitch changes, so I can't comment on that type of use.
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[ZapAxe]

Funny, I read a thread I found that one guys said he was a Melodyne user and has switched to Wave's Tune for it ease of use. I must look into this before I commit to one or the other. My own vocals are depending on a solution
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[Embla]

[wizardofice]

Variaudio is very good. I use it almost as much as Melodyne. I use autotune rarely. If it is a quick fix I will usually use Variaudio because it is quick and easy. For more extensive use it is Melodyne. If I cannot get a good result from either I will try autotune in graphic mode or even a combination of all 3.
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[ZapAxe]

What version of Cubase has started with this "Pitch Editor"?

If Melodyne is as easy as someone said, why use another one because that's also easy? Isn't it easier to just stick with one aplication once used to it?

Wave's TUNE is easy, I did a hands on...but when I put my energies & preferences into one application or another I'll likley stick with it for a while. I'm just gonna have to do a hands on with the top condenders
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[wizardofice]

All of them do things a different way. Sometimes one works better than the other depending what is needed to make the correction
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[Hurican]

Just found this one Steve:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3493103

I've been kind of interested in this myself, because I use Variaudio for fixing mildly out of tune vocals. (I work with some pretty damn good singers, so luckily I don't have to any heavy editing). For me, a guy who used to look at a warble in a waveform, splice and change the pitch of the splice... variaudio was a dream come true.

I haven't used Melodyne, but hear a lot of good things about it. Less good things about Autotune. But for you, variaudio would mean getting a new version of Cubase. I'm not sure which melodyne you're looking for, but if you get the complete bundle, you'll be paying more than for Cubase!

Variaudio for me is fine because I want to work quickly, and get the vox done, in pretty good shape with no or inaudible artifacts within the mix. I especially love the pitch quantize function, where you select all notes within a region, grab the slider bar and it straightens them all (to the nearest 1/2 note) out at once. Never been so easy.

I'd go for Melodyne if you don't want to upgrade Cubase. (I don't know how Waves works. Waves plugins don't work on my system at all. I've given up on them, and am seriously thinking about giving the Waves install CD to my dog for a chew toy).
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[Embla]

Actually - I love the pitch shift in Cubase. The one you find in Audio-Proces-Pitch shift. Then click on "Envelope". Here you can make your curves for the pitch shifting. VERY flexible and very good sounding. I haven't seen a pitch shift feature like this in any other DAW. This and Vari Audio is more than enough for most people.
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[NTR]

I just came across this vocal suite, which includes pitch correction.............Izotope Nectar. Looks nice, though never tried it.

http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/nectar/
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[NTR]

[wizardofice]

I have not tried the new Izotope plug yet...I have Ozone 4 and rarely use it. I tried the Alloy and didn't like it enough to buy it. Something about the sound of the Izotope plugs I don't really care for. Yes with a bit of fiddling I can get good sounds out of it but I usually fall back on the ones that I get really good sounds with little effort. I love Melodyne and I use Liquid mix LA2A or the 670, and REVerence or CSR for reverb. I like the IK pultec on vocals sometimes too. With those I really get the sound I want pretty quick.
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[ZapAxe]

For the inexperienced (I fit that description) I kinda like the idea of a 'vocal bundle' and 'presets' ...as long as there's also an option to manipulate the presets as you get more advanced...which I thnk I read you can in Nectar...???

We already have dedicated guitar bundles, bass bundles etc...so why NOT a vocal bundle, it makes sense. Hell, I have a Vox Tonelab, POD xt for guitar and one for bass, also Amplitube.

Though if one knows what they're looking for or want, then it may be best to pick and choose their own components for each task, treatment or effect because a bundle package may not be the best at each component, some may even be cheesy - eg; my old Digitech GSP proccessor has far better chorus than my POD's or Tonelab IMO.
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[Hurican]

Ya know... after reading some of the replies, I think I'm going to retract my earlier statement. I think in the intensity to figure out the "perfect" mix, I slipped into the "mixing snob" state of temporary insanity. I will always be more musician than engineer, because that is where my talent lies. So a bundle that makes things easier and really does sound good would be a bonus for me.

Izotope has done a pretty good job with their software. 64bit native, never crashed on me, fairly easy to tweak. I do understand the sound issue..

[NTR]

[ZapAxe]

One thing I'm wondering is with any of these pitch correction programs... after applied & 'pitch corrected' is the correction saved? can it then be turned off? or do they need to be kept on? I worry about taking up too many resources which are still an issue as my works get more invloved, many tracks, FX's etc...
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[Hurican]

[ZapAxe]

[Hurican]

Before reading on. I can only give you what I know regarding the options for Cubase 5.x. I have no idea if these options are available in earlier versions.

But essentially you want to look for anything in your app and VSTi's that "renders" a track to audio. This will hard-write the changes (but it may replace the current track).

A "region" is a part of an audio track between clips. You should be able to render a single selected region, or select all regions on that track and render a complete single audio track from it.

When bouncing an audio track, you basically have a re-written audio track that applies all the changes done in the sample editor (I don't think insert effects are applied to it though, unless you freeze the entire track. The options for a bounced track are to replace the existing (edited) track, or create a new one. I've always replaced the existing, so I don't know for sure what happens if you create a new track. It might add the track automatically, or you might have to import it manually.

Either way, this renders all the sample edits you've done to a simple audio track, and yes, saves a lot of resources.

I save resources with VSTi's by freezing the instrument. This will create a freeze folder within the project folder. Then I will manually import the audio file from the freeze folder (this file is temporary but when importing it, can create a copy in your regular audio files folder) into the project. Once I import the audio file I'll unfreeze it and remove the instrument completely, so I only have the rendered audio version.

Again, I have no idea how many of these options are available in your version of Cubase, but I used to own that as well, and I think there is at least a way to render an edited audio file.
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[Hurican]

[NTR]

Hey Steve, I don't think VST32 5.1 has the freeze function. I'm on SX2 and it does have it but its slow as hell, so I never use it. I'm assuming its better in newer versions.
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