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Are musicians more sensitive?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:03 am    Post subject: Are musicians more sensitive than normal people? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes we must be. Otherwise they wouldn't have put up those chicken wire screens in "The Blues Brothers", would they??

But seriously, I think everyone with a creative bent is a little wary of criticism, exacerbated by the fact that when we display our creative sides we're baring our souls to some extent.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean - are musicians more sensitive than normal people? Are you implying that musicians are not normal? Just what do you mean by that assertion? Are you trying to hurt our feelings?
Boo hoo Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a listener I can cry when listening to Mozart's Requiem.

As a musician I often cry when I listen back to my own tracks.

Conclusion: inconclusive Neutral
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RokGeetar - there's nothing wrong with your music that more beer will not correct. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those normal people ...
:sucks breath in with troubled glance:
Gotta be CAREFUL with them non-musicians.

I reckon they're acksherly a bloody sight MORE sensitive than us musicians.

No matter 'ow gently I try to explain to them that I pity them for their disability, their shame ...
No matter how comfortingly I reassure them that it's not impossible that they may one day find how to add SOME value to the universe beyond spawning and manuring ...
They get sooooo upset.

That's what you get for trying to be positive and supportive.

I mean ... talkabout Stagey-Lovvie attitudes ""Oooooooooooh I can't play or sing or produce worth Shoooot but I'm Just as Good As You ""
I tell you .. Normal people ARE VERY sensitive!

The WORST of all, are those who THINK that they are musicians, but in fact are NOT. Brick wall
Now THEY are so Bloody Sensitive that they'd rather bore my fecking arrse off with opinionated witter than simply burying themselved in a room, PRACTISING their soddddin art, then staggering out into the sunlight and saying 'HEY LOOKIT THIS I'M TRYING TO DO
I try to lighten them up with humour, like "Hey, bro' .. next you're gonna tell me your farts are fanfares!" But do they larf??

Normal people are SO sensitive.

I remember one of them, when I pressed 'im to justify 'is Verbose Zero Productivity, Started ranting Crrap ... what was it? "There's more to life than music"

'Theres More To Life Than Music'

Boo hoo!


Well, I wos like Rolling Eyes Shame on you
And I'm not sensitive. In fact, I'm humble Applause Applause Applause - and PROUD OF IT YEAH Cool Cool ! .... but some people've GOT to be Taught ... so I kick't'im in the Nads Twisted Evil

Bloody normal people.

There ought to be a Law.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's because musicians have a higher morale and enjoy life more because we are connected to the vibrations of the universe. The rest of human mankind basically just suck, all of them.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HowlingUlf wrote:
The rest of human mankind basically just suck

So if they suck, do we blow? Think
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you ask that? Crying or Very sad Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if I'd say musicians are more "sensitive" than non musicians (or non artists in general)... after all, how could we effectively stir people's hearts and minds if they weren't equally sensitive as we? But I think you could make the argument that the GREATEST musicians and artists do in fact tend to feel things a bit more deeply than most folks... it's part of what elevates their art above the ordinary
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think HowlingUlf said it best. Artists more likely than just musicians have that connection to a higher creative power. So with sensitivity in regards to that universal language (not unlike having a sixth sense), then yes. But sensitivity in regards to emotions and feelings like everyone else... then no.

Just like martial artists who learn mental and physical balance, artists learn to hone their connection to better their art. Everyone has this potential. My major gripe wtih the rest of humanity, is that so few people even bother to experiment or use this talent. Not having an artistic outlet leads to a closed mind, excessive need for "stuff", and the inability to see that elusive "bigger picture".
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Hurican wrote:
I think HowlingUlf said it best.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think HowlingUlf said it best. Artists more likely than just musicians have that connection to a higher creative power.


You mean like... God? Very Happy
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Hurican wrote:
I think HowlingUlf said it best. Artists more likely than just musicians have that connection to a higher creative power.


You mean like... God? Very Happy


Ah, there is new evidence? Cool
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Musicians and non-musicians are all exactly the same, except for one thing. Musicians share their art, and non-musicians do not. Non-musicians consume what musicians produce. The scales of exchange are always unbalanced. Non-musos never give back nearly as much as the musicians must sacrifice to create. Says it all really.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HowlingUlf wrote:
douglas hazelrigg wrote:
Hurican wrote:
I think HowlingUlf said it best. Artists more likely than just musicians have that connection to a higher creative power.


You mean like... God? Very Happy


Ah, there is new evidence? Cool


For me -- just me, mind you -- the inexplicable beauties and endless possibilities of MUSIC suggested to me there must be a higher Intelligence. Not to start a religious debate (against Forum Rules afterall) but it just doesn't seem possible that the mathematical perfections* and emotional/mental profundities of music could simply be an accident of "nature." For example, why does a major chord evoke joy or happiness while a minor chord evokes darkness or other such "negative" emotions? Why, Ulf, why? Really, Evolution or Physics explanations don't satisfy me here



*Sure I realize that something like Equal Temperament isn't EXACTLY perfect in a mathematical sense, but what in nature IS "perfect? Is there a "perfect" tree? Or mountain? Human being? Really, if I were god (god forbid) I wouldn't make anything "perfect" -- it'd be terribly uniform and BORING. Still, Equal Temperment DOES work, and quite well... CAN'T be just an accident of nature. No way
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No, I wouldn't necessarily say musician's are more sensitive than non-musician's...nor the other way around. People are people, and there are many differences, but there is also commonality among us. Some people are just more sensitive than others, and being musically inclined has no bearing on this...IMO.

Yes, certain things set us humans apart from each other, and certain events, activities can change and shape us. We are also predisposed in our individual ways...it's this kind of predisposition that makes us musicians, artists... ie; creative types in general. I do see creative types of people, including myself as somewhat 'spacey' ...which in realty is being preoccupied with thoughts, including creative thoughts. So our musicality in some ways set us apart as to shape or change us, maybe even give us a certain amount of inner peace...something possibly due to 'vibrations' but not in any hocus-pocus false entity way, but is a more basic and explainable way...vibrations = frequency ...and vibrating frequency is present throughout the universe...it's what it is...and without telling ourselves there's some imaginary entity creating it, just so we can have an answer to a question to make us feel better.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

douglas hazelrigg wrote:
HowlingUlf wrote:
douglas hazelrigg wrote:
Hurican wrote:
I think HowlingUlf said it best. Artists more likely than just musicians have that connection to a higher creative power.


You mean like... God? Very Happy


Ah, there is new evidence? Cool


For me -- just me, mind you -- the inexplicable beauties and endless possibilities of MUSIC suggested to me there must be a higher Intelligence. Not to start a religious debate (against Forum Rules afterall) but it just doesn't seem possible that the mathematical perfections* and emotional/mental profundities of music could simply be an accident of "nature." For example, why does a major chord evoke joy or happiness while a minor chord evokes darkness or other such "negative" emotions? Why, Ulf, why? Really, Evolution or Physics explanations don't satisfy me here



*Sure I realize that something like Equal Temperament isn't EXACTLY perfect in a mathematical sense, but what in nature IS "perfect? Is there a "perfect" tree? Or mountain? Human being? Really, if I were god (god forbid) I wouldn't make anything "perfect" -- it'd be terribly uniform and BORING. Still, Equal Temperment DOES work, and quite well... CAN'T be just an accident of nature. No way



D@mn... you guys just had to send me off on a metaphysical rant. Razz

I believe very strongly in the music -> higher connection, er... connection. In fact when I write targeted material, I use (this is a very basic version) the following guideline.

Major- for lighter, positive, good, outgoing.
Minor- for darker, negative, evil, inturning.

C: Physical Reality
D: Emotions
E: The lower echelon of power
F: Love and the Heart
G: Intelligence via communication
A: Intelligence via inspiration (The higher echelon of power)
B: A spiritual connection

Simply put, since there seems to be a connection to a higher source of energy in music, I try to intentionally make sense of it in my writing.

I tend to put my belief in levels of evolution, the possibility that we can only imagine to a certain point above our own level, and that there are beings of such high levels that we would consider them god... those who have already made a science out of how music affects our universe and how our universe affects us.

Ever think of the word "Universe"? ...means [one verse]. I wonder what the whole song would be like?
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douglas hazelrigg wrote:
there must be a higher Intelligence

... but you're still not sure after 6000 years? awww, no new evidence then? Crying or Very sad
douglas hazelrigg wrote:
Why, Ulf, why?

I don't know so my answer is "I don't know!" which is more honest than saying "there must be a higher Intelligence" and then not show it to the rest of us.
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Really, Evolution or Physics explanations don't satisfy me here

Good, then you are not distracted by how ideas of how life evolved or what seems to make stuff what it is when investigated closely rather than fantasizing about its grand origins while you listen to Steve's catchy songs.
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CAN'T be just an accident of nature. No way

Who said it was? Straw man alert! Show us what it is then if you think you know. Wink
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I think it's because musicians have a higher morale and enjoy life more because we are connected to the vibrations of the universe. The rest of human mankind basically just suck, all of them.


Basically a load of tongue-in-cheek manure, just in case somebody thought anything else Angel
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I think it's because musicians have a higher morale and enjoy life more because we are connected to the vibrations of the universe. The rest of human mankind basically just suck, all of them.


Basically a load of tongue-in-cheek manure, just in case somebody thought anything else Angel

You mean 'a load of bollox'? Laughing
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HowlingUlf wrote:
I think it's because musicians have a higher morale and enjoy life more because we are connected to the vibrations of the universe. The rest of human mankind basically just suck, all of them.


Basically a load of tongue-in-cheek manure, just in case somebody thought anything else Angel

You mean 'a load of bollox'? Laughing


Yeah, that's it! much better!I should have asked you before I hit the submit button! Laughing
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HowlingUlf wrote:
HowlingUlf wrote:
I think it's because musicians have a higher morale and enjoy life more because we are connected to the vibrations of the universe. The rest of human mankind basically just suck, all of them.


Basically a load of tongue-in-cheek manure, just in case somebody thought anything else Angel


Embarassed I did actually catch it... just didn't give a response as accurately as I would have liked. Confused The part that resonated with me was the "connected to the vibrations of the universe" and that's what I was actually responding to.
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HowlingUlf wrote:
I think it's because musicians have a higher morale and enjoy life more because we are connected to the vibrations of the universe. The rest of human mankind basically just suck, all of them.


Basically a load of tongue-in-cheek manure, just in case somebody thought anything else Angel


Embarassed I did actually catch it... just didn't give a response as accurately as I would have liked. Confused The part that resonated with me was the "connected to the vibrations of the universe" and that's what I was actually responding to.


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So I can blame my bad tunes on a higher power? Yeay!
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So I can blame my bad tunes on a higher power? Yeay!


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Er, yeah -- just say "the Devil made me do it." Smile
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HowlingUlf wrote:
douglas hazelrigg wrote:
there must be a higher Intelligence

... but you're still not sure after 6000 years? awww, no new evidence then? Crying or Very sad
douglas hazelrigg wrote:
Why, Ulf, why?

I don't know so my answer is "I don't know!" which is more honest than saying "there must be a higher Intelligence" and then not show it to the rest of us.
douglas hazelrigg wrote:
Really, Evolution or Physics explanations don't satisfy me here

Good, then you are not distracted by how ideas of how life evolved or what seems to make stuff what it is when investigated closely rather than fantasizing about its grand origins while you listen to Steve's catchy songs.
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CAN'T be just an accident of nature. No way

Who said it was? Straw man alert! Show us what it is then if you think you know. Wink


My goodness... talk about "strawman alert" -- you misconstrue almost every word I write and then subtly recapitulate it altered form -- "more honest" my ASS!
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HowlingUlf
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Joined: 07 Jan 2005
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Location: Gothenburg, Sweden

PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, that was baaaaad! Embarassed

so what did you mean then?
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