Cubase VST Song import in Cubase 4/5: a solution

Eckhard Doll · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:03 am Post subject:

I tend to agree here. We won't and we can't upload a Cubase SX/SL 2 full installer. You had several years to either convert or even complete your songs...
If we provided a Cubase SX 2 I think we would also have a discussion about a Vista and OS X Leopard compatible Cubase VST update soon Wink

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Potty Harry · Member Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 230

Not everyone automatically upgrades to the next version, for those who jumped from Cubase VST to SX3 they are stuffed.

Bottom line is files from earlier Steinberg Apps should be compatible with current software using the same operating system .......we wouldn’t then be having this discussion Rolling Eyes

HowlingUlf · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject:

The problem is maybe that Cubase VST isn't Cubendo, or Cubase isn't Cubase anymore. It's simply not the same code, the program doesn't open the same file, the order of almost anything is rearranged.

Cubase VST was like Cubase Atari with colors and audio files, a MIDI editor of which the life cycle HAD to end, IF the code for a modern day audio & MIDI editor program should be able to get optimized for what became Cubendo. The programmers didn't want to paint themselves into a corner, so the dumped the old crap and had a white sheet of paper, which is understandable.

To keep the Cubase name is good marketing strategics, at least initially but sometimes you might wonder if it wouldn't be better to let Cubase rest in peace and invent another "Nuendo Lite" with a new name because that's what Cubase SX is, everything but the name. The honeymoon comes to an end and eventually people will have to deal with Cubase that's not Cubase anymore.

So there are problems Razz

Cakewalk used to be the program, now it's the program and Sonar is doing reasonably good in the market. So it's possible. I don't know but my guess is that not too many ask Cakewalk about making Sonar able to open old Cakewalk files? Is it possible by the way ... Laughing

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imran5000 · Member Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 131

I was wondering seeing as you are offering these for download.......... as an SL3 user is there any chance of getting SX3 for free??? Pray

jobuer53 · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject:

HowlingUlf · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject:

About backwards compatibility ...

I just opened a project created in 4.0.x and tried to save it in 4.1.3 and ...

I get this now famous promt telling me I should think twice before saving the file in a newer version of the program ...

within the 4.x version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is just silly d'oh!

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Chroma One · Senior Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 1961

This kind of public attitude towards backward compatibility is sad to read and shows a lack of understanding of issues professionals face in the real world.

My personal strategy regarding Cubase backward compatibility is to never depend on it.

I often do soundtracks and jingles for radio, TV or trade shows. Clients expect to be able to call up and ask for changes to old projects.

"Remember that track we did for XYZ. Let's use that again. All I want to do is change the first and last lines of the voice-over. I can email the new voice-over right now."

The client expects that this will take almost no time, almost no work and expects to be billed very little and he expects the track to sound exactly the same except for the changes requested. He cares nothing about the march of time with new versions of software or hardware.

My personal experience with importing completed VST projects in SX is most often a crash, or it just hangs and never completes. In the few cases where it worked for me, the 'import' missed so much that it would take days of work to get a similar mix back again. (Such things as Dynamic Events are just ignored. I use them a lot. Remember that the regular automation in VST was almost impossible to edit.)

So, I still run VST when I need to open an old project. Luckily Micorsoft and Intel do seem to care about backward compatibility and VST still runs fine on my XP box, save one or two plugins whose vendors change the names of their updated plugins and disable the old ones - another 'damn the backward compatibility' strategy. (Autotune is the worst culprit here, but I usually bounced those tracks anyway.)

So my advice is, if you need access to an old Cubase project without planning to completely remix it, keep the Cubase version it was created in still running.

Happily for me, the last time a client wanted to revise a VST project was almost a year ago, but that is still no guarantee it won't happen again.

jobuer53 · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:44 am Post subject:

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Kahlbert · Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject:

Actually, and unfortunately, music industry in this day and age is becoming even more short-lived (or less durable) than software.

Luckily, there are exceptions to every rule ...

mindseyedub · New Member Joined: 23 Jun 2008 Posts: 6

Greets,

Does this solution work with Cubase Essential?

I tried both SX and SL but both does not recognize dongle...

Any solution?

Regards

David

rokster71 · Junior Member Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 21

Hi people,

Just downlowded the sx download to open some vst5 stuff to port across and ran into a serious issue. I hope no one else has but i just wanted to give the heads up just incase.

I followed the onscreen prompts as normal while installing the sx download, and took out my dongle etc when i was told (which i found strange, never had to do that before) . after install i put the dongle back in and my heart sank. no eliscences at all on my dongle. so i rebooted and still no luck. I was just about to lose the plot when i decided to uninstall all the syncrosoft stuff and sx to hopefully see my cubase liscence re appear. It did thankfully but now the sequel content has no liscense on cs4 startup and i have tried reinstalling it twice. when you click on the links for the syncrosoft stuff in the downloads section it takes you to mi4 page.... ????????. Maybe its my system that is bugged, but i had absolutely no issues till i installed the sx download. Anybody else had this or anything like it ?

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Eckhard Doll · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:42 am Post subject:

Have you read this part of the announcement?

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Cubase SX/ SL 3 can be run with your current Cubase 4 / Cubase Studio 4 license and allows you to import your VST projects, save them in the new *.cpr format and open them in Cubase 4 series. These are not officially supported under Windows Vista and OSX Leopard but should install and run just fine. Please be sure to install the current Syncrosoft License Control Center prior to starting Cubase SX / SL 3 for the first time. You can download the latest version here:

http://www.steinberg.net/index.php?id=920&L=1
<<<

Clicking on the Steinberg Key link takes me to the correct download page.
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rokster71 · Junior Member Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 21

Thanks Ekhard,

I have now reread and realised i downloaded the wrong version. should have downloaded sl not sx. ( sine i have cubase studio 4 not cubase 4).
Bah am a donkey.

Thanks for the help

sdelia · New Member Joined: 13 Jul 2008 Posts: 1

Good day Mr. Helge Vogt,

First of all we thank Steinberg for the support, in the link for downloading the special editions of SX3 is missing
the link for the Cubase 4 essential.
Can you include this link or any other solution (SE3 perchaps ?)
Thanks again for your support.
Rgds

Suntower · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:06 am Post subject:

I -think- I agree with Chroma.

Backward compatibility is, or -should- be HUGE. It -is- huge for me in my work and it -should- be mandatory. There has never been a major release of Cubase since I've been using it (VST5.0) that could be 100% relied upon to import from a prior version.

The only safe thing to do with any Cubase project you care about for the future is to use something like MEAP to create WAV files for each track.

What kills me is how little this seems to matter to most users.

After a lot of thought I've decided that, since backward compatibility will likely -never- be reliable, I don't care all that much about 'import' functions. Frankly, what I would like to see from SB is a reliable, easy to use, multi-track export function---as their competitors have.

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Kahlbert · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:36 am Post subject:

sjr · New Member Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 1

It's a great solution and it works perfect in Vista.
Thanks a lot.

Red Street · Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:23 am Post subject:

Hello...

I'm brand new to Cubase 4 and I was so glad to see this post on how to open my older cubase files in the new 4, so I downloaded SX 3 and was all excited to start editing but... I have the Essential Academic version of Cubase 4 and for so reason my license will not allow me to open SX 3. AHHHH I'm freakin out! Is their anything I can do???? Please HELP.

-mike

Red Street · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:06 am Post subject:

Hey...

Thanks for all the help! Guess I'll figure something out on my own.

Red Street · Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:19 am Post subject:

Come on... I'm seriously stumped here. What should I do to use all my older song files.
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BilboB. · New Member Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 4

Hello,

I am new in this forum and have a question concerning this thread.

Only Cubase 4 and Cubass Studio 4 owners get a link to the application with which to convert their old ".all"-songs.
I have only Cubase 4 Essential, and my Steinberg Key shows me that this license includes Cubase SE3.
Is it possible to get a download link to this program?

Yours kindly

BilboB.

aftermath · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: